<html><head></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue-Light, Helvetica Neue Light, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447881175624_105141" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447881175624_105186">While it's factually correct to say that you don't have to take part in the community to work with OSM, I seldom see that in practice. Missing Maps and HOT are deeply involved in the OSM community. When we do see this gap between the data and community anywhere in OSM, it's a great action to take on, to find ways to make our community welcoming and understandable to more mappers. We also need to recognize that OSM is a collection of communities, especially along linguistic lines, and that we need to work more to integrate in positive ways.</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447881175624_105141" dir="ltr"><span><br></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447881175624_105141" dir="ltr"><span>-Mikel</span></div><div></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447881175624_105180"> </div><div class="signature" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447881175624_105178">* Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron</div> <br><div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" style="display: block;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue-Light, Helvetica Neue Light, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div dir="ltr"><font size="2" face="Arial"> On Thursday, November 19, 2015 11:44 AM, Simon Poole <simon@poole.ch> wrote:<br></font></div> <blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; margin-top: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> <br><br> <div class="y_msg_container"><div id="yiv6796419047"><div>
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<div class="yiv6796419047moz-cite-prefix">Am 19.11.2015 um 15:17 schrieb Paul
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<div class="yiv6796419047gmail_quote">On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 7:54 AM,
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an odd time to announce a schism and I'm sure you didn't
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While rabid anti-OSMers are gaining more power and
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<div>Not sure what MM is, but how can you be anti-OSM and be
on the Humanitarian OSM Team? Seems rather
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MM == missingmaps, sorry.<br clear="none">
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The point is that you can use OSM, the infrastructure and tools, as
a convenient and free service for mapping without buying in to OSM
the collaborative, community driven mapping project, the only thing
which is really required is that you have to live with the licence
as determined by the contributors. In the end not much different
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Now we don't really require buy in to OSM the project when people
sign up, historically this has mainly caused issues with individuals
and some times companies that have gone off on a tangent. But there
is no doubt that a lot of things about OSM are "different", the
rules, the structures (or rather the absence of them), how we
technically do things and in the end getting community buy in to
whatever you are doing, that are considered pesky annoyances and
particularly a hindrance when you are on a mission to save the
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