<html><head></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue-Light, Helvetica Neue Light, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447881175624_114077"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447881175624_114080" class="">"</span><span style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 13px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447881175624_114082" class="">On the other hand you can't deny that HOT is in some ways self defeating</span></div><span style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 13px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447881175624_114084" class="">since it isolates lots of people from the whole of OSM and the nitty</span><br clear="none" style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 13px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447881175624_114086" class=""><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447881175624_114077" dir="ltr" class=""><span style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 13px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447881175624_114089" class="">grity parts."</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447881175624_114077" dir="ltr" class=""><span><br></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447881175624_114077" dir="ltr" class=""><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447881175624_114133">Fully denied. There are many facets to OSM, we are all, I hope, working to provide ways to integrate them. </span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447881175624_114077"><span><br></span></div><div></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447881175624_114093"> </div><div class="signature" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447881175624_114183">* Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron</div> <br><div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" style="display: block;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue-Light, Helvetica Neue Light, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div dir="ltr"><font size="2" face="Arial"> On Thursday, November 19, 2015 12:10 PM, Simon Poole <simon@poole.ch> wrote:<br></font></div> <blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; margin-top: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> <br><br> <div class="y_msg_container"><br clear="none">Am 19.11.2015 um 15:53 schrieb Blake Girardot:<br clear="none">> ....<br clear="none">> It is a ridiculous statement on its face; obviously HOT does not<br clear="none">> succeed if OSM does not succeed.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">I think we fully agree and if you recheck you will see that I said<br clear="none">essentially the same.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">><br clear="none">> As to the original issue Ramm raised:<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> Most HOT folks who commented agreed the example changeset comments,<br clear="none">> while useful, could benefit from improvement (as could the vast<br clear="none">> majority changeset comments in OSM). Mikel has already opened an issue<br clear="none">> in github to improve them and the issue has already been brought to<br clear="none">> the people who manage HOT OSM Tasking Manager projects, how is that<br clear="none">> not working with and being responsive to the larger OSM community?<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Again if you go back you will see that I couldn't quite believe that a<br clear="none">shism was really being declared because it doesn't make any sense.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">On the other hand you can't deny that HOT is in some ways self defeating<br clear="none">since it isolates lots of people from the whole of OSM and the nitty<br clear="none">grity parts. Intentionally naturally, but it doesn't necessarily<br clear="none">actually help the humanitarian sectors understanding of what OSM is and<br clear="none">how it works.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">><br clear="none">> I think HOT's history demonstrates an eagerness (and outright need) to<br clear="none">> work with the OSM community at every opportunity (not mistake free of<br clear="none">> course). But I can also personally point to at least 1 example where<br clear="none">> HOT has reached out to OSMF and the License WG and literally been<br clear="none">> ignored after repeated attempts to even discuss an issue.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">I would be interested in a reference to that. We get a large number of<br clear="none">enquiries, ~ 200 this year to date, and occasionally stuff gets pushed<br clear="none">back, particularly if there is no good answer (naturally you would get<br clear="none">an answer pointing that out).<div class="yqt8464597017" id="yqtfd63220"><br clear="none"><br clear="none">Simon<br clear="none"></div><br><div class="yqt8464597017" id="yqtfd04073">_______________________________________________<br clear="none">talk mailing list<br clear="none"><a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:talk@openstreetmap.org" href="mailto:talk@openstreetmap.org">talk@openstreetmap.org</a><br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk" target="_blank">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk</a><br clear="none"></div><br><br></div> </blockquote> </div> </div> </div></div></body></html>