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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 21/06/2016 10:12, joost schouppe
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<div class="gmail_quote">The scope for growth of our community
with Maps.me is phenomenal. Of course there is room for
improvement. But it's never going to be easy to lower the
barriers to participation without losing quality.
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I don't think that it's an explicitly MAPS.ME problem - it's a "new
mappers" one. There have been "ban iD", "ban Potlatch" etc.
complaints since those editors have existed, and new mappers using
JOSM are just as likely to make a mess of things as with other
editors, but the resulting fallout tends to be rather more nuclear.<br>
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That said, there may well be some mileage in the ideas below:<br>
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<div>Some ideas:</div>
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<div>- <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://maps.me">maps.me</a>
should probably stick to simple-to-map objects when it
adds data. Complicated stuff should go in a note.</div>
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<div>- if the <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://maps.me">maps.me</a> data is old, any added
object should be a note by default</div>
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We get "notes by default" from other apps that use old data (e.g.
Navmii) and in that case it's just as annoying to deal with -
actually more so in that case as the notes are anonymous. <br>
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<div>- <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://maps.me">maps.me</a>
should investigate why response is so low to changeset
comments. Maybe OSM messages can be integrated in the app?
Maybe added info should be Note by default until they have
responded to a test message sent through the OSM messaging
system. (though in my experience response to any OSM
message is low, not just <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://maps.me">maps.me</a> users)</div>
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I'm not convinced that the reply rate from MAPS.ME users is much
lower than other new mappers. As you say, new mappers often don't
reply - probably because they think of OSM as a map or a database
rather than a community, and databases don't in general talk back to
you. However, that's just a gut feeling on my part - someone would
need to go through changesets and discussions and count up to be
sure.<br>
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The same options are available with unresponsive MAPS.ME users as
with other users - try and contact them via changeset discussions,
and if that doesn't work drop a mail to the Data Working Group
explaining the problem. We can send them a message via the "block"
mechanism that they have to read before they can continue editing
(without actually stopping them from editing for any length of
time). Usually the problem is a language barrier one, or they're
just not getting emails because they don't monitor the account they
signed up with, or they're just "not very communicative", and once
it's clear that the problem won't go away of it's own accord they'll
engage positively.<br>
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<div>- maybe we should have a manual review system in place
for ALL <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://maps.me">maps.me</a>
changesets, until someone marks the account as
"experienced"</div>
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That's pretty much what's happening already (just not with MAPS.ME
users only). In many places around the world new mappers are either
explicitly welcomed or helped along through their first few edits.
There's even been a recent help question about using whodidit for
the purpose:<br>
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<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://help.openstreetmap.org/questions/50331/how-to-search-for-go-map-editor-in-whodidit">https://help.openstreetmap.org/questions/50331/how-to-search-for-go-map-editor-in-whodidit</a><br>
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Cheers,<br>
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Andy<br>
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