<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2016-06-22 15:52 GMT+02:00 Andy Townsend <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ajt1047@gmail.com" target="_blank">ajt1047@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><span class=""><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">The scope for growth of our community
with Maps.me is phenomenal. Of course there is room for
improvement. But it's never going to be easy to lower the
barriers to participation without losing quality.
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I don't think that it's an explicitly <a href="http://MAPS.ME" target="_blank">MAPS.ME</a> problem - it's a "new
mappers" one. There have been "ban iD", "ban Potlatch" etc.
complaints since those editors have existed, and new mappers using
JOSM are just as likely to make a mess of things as with other
editors, but the resulting fallout tends to be rather more nuclear.<br></blockquote><div><br><br></div><div>there are some fundamental differences between our common editors and <a href="http://maps.me">maps.me</a>:<br></div><div>1. <a href="http://maps.me">maps.me</a> doesn't show the full geometry of things / everything available in osm<br></div><div>2. <a href="http://maps.me">maps.me</a> doesn't show tags and has few feature classes and has sometimes problematic translations (maybe the last point applies to other editors in non-pro-mode as well)<br></div><div>3. <a href="http://maps.me">maps.me</a> doesn't show recent data but old data<br></div><div>4. <a href="http://maps.me">maps.me</a> doesn't show all information at an object, even common stuff like internationalized names aren't available to the editor (they promised to work on this)<br></div><div><br></div><div> <span class=""></span><br><span class="">
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<div>- if the <a href="http://maps.me" target="_blank">maps.me</a> data is old, any added
object should be a note by default</div>
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We get "notes by default" from other apps that use old data (e.g.
Navmii) and in that case it's just as annoying to deal with -
actually more so in that case as the notes are anonymous. <br></blockquote><div><br><br></div><div>it's not a point that other apps do things worse by using anonymous users for their contributions. If we got as much feedback from Navmii than we do currently from <a href="http://maps.me">maps.me</a> we would surely blame them as well.<br><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><span class="">
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<div>- <a href="http://maps.me" target="_blank">maps.me</a>
should investigate why response is so low to changeset
comments. Maybe OSM messages can be integrated in the app?
Maybe added info should be Note by default until they have
responded to a test message sent through the OSM messaging
system. (though in my experience response to any OSM
message is low, not just <a href="http://maps.me" target="_blank">maps.me</a> users)</div>
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I'm not convinced that the reply rate from <a href="http://MAPS.ME" target="_blank">MAPS.ME</a> users is much
lower than other new mappers. As you say, new mappers often don't
reply - probably because they think of OSM as a map or a database
rather than a community, and databases don't in general talk back to
you.</blockquote><div><br><br></div><div>well, IF the database talks back, and this is what is happening, they would make up their mind then, no?<br></div><div><br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
The same options are available with unresponsive <a href="http://MAPS.ME" target="_blank">MAPS.ME</a> users as
with other users - try and contact them via changeset discussions,
and if that doesn't work drop a mail to the Data Working Group
explaining the problem.</blockquote><div><br><br></div><div>I have refrained from doing so until now, because DWG ressources are limited as well, and I didn't want to throw too much on them.<br><br></div><div> <span class=""></span><br><span class=""></span></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><span class="">
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<div>- maybe we should have a manual review system in place
for ALL <a href="http://maps.me" target="_blank">maps.me</a>
changesets, until someone marks the account as
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That's pretty much what's happening already (just not with <a href="http://MAPS.ME" target="_blank">MAPS.ME</a>
users only). In many places around the world new mappers are either
explicitly welcomed or helped along through their first few edits.
There's even been a recent help question about using whodidit for
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</blockquote></div><br><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">can't speak for others, but I am currently just reviewing the FIRST edits by NEW users, and I don't have near the ressources I'd need to stick to this and follow them. It doesn't matter whether the edits are one week or one hour old, in most cases I have reviewed noone has either commented on the changesets or changed the objects so far, so I guess this is not something that will sort itself out "automatically".<br><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Have a look at whodidit for the center of Rome:<br>Zverik's instance is currently not working (no tiles): <a href="http://zverik.osm.rambler.ru/whodidit/?zoom=14&lat=41.89546&lon=12.49434&layers=B">http://zverik.osm.rambler.ru/whodidit/?zoom=14&lat=41.89546&lon=12.49434&layers=B</a><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">try this one: <a href="http://simon04.dev.openstreetmap.org/whodidit/?zoom=13&lat=41.88897&lon=12.4797&layers=BTT">http://simon04.dev.openstreetmap.org/whodidit/?zoom=13&lat=41.88897&lon=12.4797&layers=BTT</a><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Some users I have found with Pascal Neis' new users tool have headed to Florence and Paris afterwards, I bet you can find a similar situation there, and also in Venice, London, Munich and other places that are heavily frequented by tourists.<br><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Cheers,<br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Martin<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div></div>