<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra">(replying to talk because you wrote in English so I suppose it was meant to be public)<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">2016-06-22 10:22 GMT+02:00 Andreas Labres <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:list@lab.at" target="_blank">list@lab.at</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">ACK. This is a definition (in German) I'd agree with: <span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:arial,helvetica,verdana,sans-serif;font-size:medium;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;display:inline!important;float:none;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Siedlungsformen: Art,
Zahl und<span> </span></span><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:arial,helvetica,verdana,sans-serif;font-size:medium;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;display:inline!important;float:none;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">räumliche</span><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:arial,helvetica,verdana,sans-serif;font-size:medium;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;display:inline!important;float:none;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span> </span>Anordnung<span> </span></span><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:arial,helvetica,verdana,sans-serif;font-size:medium;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;display:inline!important;float:none;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">menschlicher </span><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:arial,helvetica,verdana,sans-serif;font-size:medium;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;display:inline!important;float:none;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Behausungen (kinds of
settlement: kind, number and areal arrangement of human
dwellings). </span><br></div></blockquote></div><br>yes, although I believe this points more into a detailed view on settlement shape, like "Straßenangerdorf", "Streusiedlung", "Ringdorf", etc. i.e .typological classes of settlements according to their development and shape / spatial organization.<br><br><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote">Also a single farm (ein alleinstehender Einzelhof) is one kind of
settlement (and often has a name, BTW). And of the group settlements
(Gruppensiedlungen: <span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:arial,helvetica,verdana,sans-serif;font-size:medium;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;display:inline!important;float:none;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Einschicht, Weiler, Rotte, Dorf, Markt und
Stadt</span>) there are different kinds, some of which are
explicitely *not* densely populated (Einschicht, Weiler, Rotte). See
<a href="http://www.aeiou.at/aeiou.encyclop.s/s567496.htm" target="_blank">http://www.aeiou.at/aeiou.encyclop.s/s567496.htm</a> for kinds of
settlements (in German).<br></blockquote><div><br><br></div><div>whether a single farm is a kind of settlement (so called "Einzelsiedlung") is a question of definition or theory, it doesn't really matter for us, in OSM it makes sense to provide a place value for them.<br><br></div><div> </div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote">
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And to me there also is a difference: a settlement's extent isn't
defined per se. It can be a group of houses and generally it is
countable what houses belong to that settlement. But this doesn't
define what fields/land/acres are/is included. In contrast, an
"administrative territorial entity" (Verwaltungseinheit) solely
defines the land it includes.<br></blockquote><div><br><br></div>I wouldn't include fields, at least not those that are on the "outside" of the settlement, while those enclosed by buildings typically could be included. You'd likely have to decide on a case by case basis, where context (like the above mentioned settlement typologies matter). In the case of sparse settlements, finding an outline might be hard or impossible, but fortunately in the areas I map, this is almost never an issue ;-)<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Cheers,<br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Martin<br><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">PS:<br></div><div class="gmail_extra">For more examples, have a look here: <a href="https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kategorie:Dorfform">https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kategorie:Dorfform</a><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">and here: <a href="https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kategorie:Stadtform">https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kategorie:Stadtform</a> (particularly in the case of cities, these are often idealized concepts, and in reality you will find mixed forms, because the ideals changed before "completion" of the original plan, or because they have been transformed later to compensate for problems they didn't foresee and/or to "modernize" the city, still those concepts typically can still be seen). <br><br>One famous example for an idealized city shape where you can perfectly observe the original plan is Karlsruhe, a city founded 300 years ago as planned community (baroque style):<br><a href="https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karlsruhe#/media/File:Karlsruher_Stadtansicht.jpg">https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karlsruhe#/media/File:Karlsruher_Stadtansicht.jpg</a><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">vs: <a href="http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=15/49.0139/8.4055">http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=15/49.0139/8.4055</a><br></div></div>