<html><head></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, Sans-Serif;font-size:16px"><div>Hi,</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1472726484382_268302"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1472726484382_268478">1. Did anyone yet bring into this discussion the Japanese adresse system ? </div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1472726484382_268478"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1472726484382_268478">According to Wikipedia: </div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1472726484382_268478">"<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Street_name" title="Street name" style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 22.4px; text-decoration: none; color: rgb(11, 0, 128); background-image: none; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1472726484382_268638">Street names</a><span style="color: rgb(37, 37, 37); font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 22.4px;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1472726484382_268639"> </span><span style="color: rgb(37, 37, 37); font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 22.4px;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1472726484382_268640">are seldom used in postal addresses (except in</span><span style="color: rgb(37, 37, 37); font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 22.4px;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1472726484382_268641"> </span><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyoto" title="Kyoto" style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 22.4px; text-decoration: none; color: rgb(11, 0, 128); background-image: none; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1472726484382_268642">Kyoto</a><span style="color: rgb(37, 37, 37); font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 22.4px;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1472726484382_268643"> </span><span style="color: rgb(37, 37, 37); font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 22.4px;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1472726484382_268644">and some Hokkaidō cities such as</span><span style="color: rgb(37, 37, 37); font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 22.4px;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1472726484382_268645"> </span><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sapporo" title="Sapporo" style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 22.4px; text-decoration: none; color: rgb(11, 0, 128); background-image: none; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1472726484382_268646">Sapporo</a><span style="color: rgb(37, 37, 37); font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 22.4px;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1472726484382_268647">), and most Japanese streets do not have names.</span></div><div style="margin-top: 0.5em; margin-bottom: 0.5em; line-height: 22.4px; color: rgb(37, 37, 37); font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 14px;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1472726484382_268648"><i id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1472726484382_268649">Banchi</i> blocks often have an irregular shape, as <i id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1472726484382_268650">banchi</i> numbers were assigned by order of registration in the older system, meaning that especially in older areas of the city they will not run in a linear order. It is for this reason that when giving directions to a location, most people will offer cross streets, visual landmarks and<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokyo_Metro_Ginza_Line" title="Tokyo Metro Ginza Line" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(11, 0, 128); background-image: none;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1472726484382_268651">subway</a> stations, such as "at Chūō-dori and Matsuya-dori across the street from <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matsuya_Co.,_Ltd." title="Matsuya Co., Ltd." style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(11, 0, 128); background-image: none;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1472726484382_268652">Matsuya</a> and Ginza station" for a store in Tokyo. In fact, many businesses have maps on their literature and business cards. In addition, signs attached to utility poles often specify the city district name and block number, and detailed block maps of the immediate area are sometimes posted near bus stops and train station exits.</div><div style="margin-top: 0.5em; margin-bottom: 0.5em; line-height: 22.4px; color: rgb(37, 37, 37); font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 14px;" dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1472726484382_268653">In addition to the address itself, all locations in Japan have a <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postal_codes_in_Japan" title="Postal codes in Japan" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(11, 0, 128); background-image: none;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1472726484382_268654">postal code</a>. After the reform of 1998, this begins with a three-digit number, a hyphen, and a four-digit number, for example 123-4567. A <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan_postal_mark" title="Japan postal mark" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(11, 0, 128); background-image: none;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1472726484382_268655">postal mark</a>, 〒, may precede the code to indicate that the number following is a postal code.</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1472726484382_268478">"</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1472726484382_268478"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1472726484382_268976"><br></div><div dir="ltr">2. </div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1472726484382_269078">I also feel a need to reiterate that in Iceland there are formal postal addresses that work. The thing in the story that started this thread was the letter was sent from a guy/gal who did not bother to try write down the address (or lost it or only though of writing once they got home ). And being a not very populous society, and especially a sparsely built area of Iceland, drawing a simple map and describing the people worked "flawlessly" :-) A fun story and heartening, but if many would do the same and not research a bit before sending letters, if would not be fun any more ... especially if sending to someone more "anonymos" ;-) </div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1472726484382_269080"><br></div><div></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1472726484382_268150"> </div><div class="signature" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1472726484382_269082">-- </div><div class="signature" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1472726484382_269082"> Regards / Kveðja / Hilsen
Morten Lange, Reykjavík</div><div class="qtdSeparateBR" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1472726484382_269083"><br><br></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1472726484382_268573" style="display: block;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, Sans-Serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1472726484382_268572"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, Sans-Serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1472726484382_268571"> <div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1472726484382_268570"> <font size="2" face="Arial" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1472726484382_269086"> <hr size="1" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1472726484382_269093"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Andy Mabbett <andy@pigsonthewing.org.uk><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> "osmf-talk@openstreetmap.org" <talk@openstreetmap.org> <br> <b id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1472726484382_269085"><span style="font-weight: bold;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1472726484382_269084">Sent:</span></b> Monday, 5 September 2016, 10:11<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [OSM-talk] Without an address, an Icelandic tourist drew this map of the intended location (Búðardalur) and surroundings on the envelope. The postal service delivered!<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container"><br>On 30 August 2016 at 16:03, Iván Sánchez Ortega <<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:ivan@sanchezortega.es" href="mailto:ivan@sanchezortega.es">ivan@sanchezortega.es</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"><br clear="none">>> a classical system of addresses from the 19th century is not<br clear="none">>> affordable.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">> Tell me what's not affordable about spray-painting letters<br clear="none">> on the sides of buildings?<br clear="none"><br clear="none">The costs of surveying, allocating street names (while ensuring no<br clear="none">duplicates), allocating numbers to properties/ entrances, hosting a<br clear="none">lookup database, etc.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">-- <br clear="none">Andy Mabbett<br clear="none">@pigsonthewing<br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="http://pigsonthewing.org.uk/" target="_blank">http://pigsonthewing.org.uk</a><div class="yqt8793873038" id="yqtfd66809"><br clear="none"><br clear="none">_______________________________________________<br clear="none">talk mailing list<br clear="none"><a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:talk@openstreetmap.org" href="mailto:talk@openstreetmap.org">talk@openstreetmap.org</a><br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk" target="_blank">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk</a><br clear="none"></div><br><br></div> </div> </div> </div></div></body></html>