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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hi Andrew,<br>
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If it were in the documentation I would type the HTML non-breaking
hyphen: <i>‑</i> instead of the usual hyphen "-" in the
city names. However, other mappers, who probably do not know the
HTML coding, may think that it is an error.<br>
<br>
In the past we had no such issue. The OSM started to split some
city, town, and village names in two lines at a hyphen recently. I
would say a month or so ago. But again, in Ukrainian and Russian
geographical names a hyphen does not mean the division of a word
at the end of a line. But it is an integral part of the name. It
is not possible to write Khanty-Mansiysk, Kamianets-Podilskyi, or
Bilhorod-Dnistrovskyi without a hyphen, it is out of the question.
It would look like an outright spelling error. <br>
<br>
On the other hand, displaying them always in two lines even at
zooms where there is space around does not seem right either.<br>
<br>
I would suggest to use spaces around a hyphen to indicate the
division of a word at the end of a line. For example: <i>divi -
sion</i> or <i>divi -sion </i>would split a word in two lines
on the map, but <i>Bilhorod-Dnistrovskyi</i> (without spaces
around hyphen) would be rendered in one line.<br>
<br>
<br>
Best regards,<br>
Oleksiy<br>
<br>
On 19.09.2016 10:11, Andrew Errington wrote:<br>
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<div>I really like the Korean text, and I'd love to see it
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Regarding the incorrect splitting of names at a hyphen,
can this be dealt with by using the Unicode non-breaking
hyphen?<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/2011/index.htm">http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/2011/index.htm</a><br>
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Mappers would have to type the non-breaking hyphen instead
of a regular hyphen, but the renderers should be able to do
the right thing if a non-breaking hyphen is used. Otherwise
someone has to write a whole bunch of complicated heuristics
that would be horrible to maintain.<br>
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<div>Unless hyphens in place names should always be treated as
non-breaking.<br>
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Best wishes,<br>
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Andrew<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 19 September 2016 at 16:52, Oleksiy
Muzalyev <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:oleksiy.muzalyev@bluewin.ch" target="_blank">oleksiy.muzalyev@bluewin.ch</a>></span>
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<div>On 18/09/16 04:32, Paul Norman wrote:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">I'm looking for feedback from
people who read non-latin languages on a proposed
OpenStreetMap Carto font change. <br>
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We are considering moving to Noto fonts and could use
feedback from people who can read languages which have
non-latin scripts, particularly Asian languages. I've
made previews in about a dozen different languages at
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/pull/2349#issuecomment-247819822"
target="_blank">https://github.com/<wbr>gravitystorm/openstreetmap-<wbr>carto/pull/2349#issuecomment-<wbr>247819822</a>
and want to check that there are no new problems. We
may have to adjust font sizes, but that's a different
issue. <br>
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If you've got feedback, please leave it on <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/pull/2349"
target="_blank">https://github.com/<wbr>gravitystorm/openstreetmap-<wbr>carto/pull/2349</a>
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</span> Hi Paul,<br>
<br>
I noticed a slight bug for the Ukrainian alphabet. A
hyphen "-" can be an integral part of a town name, as
opposite to indication of the division of a word at the
end of a line.<br>
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Here are some examples:<br>
<br>
The name of the city of <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamianets-Podilskyi"
target="_blank">Kamianets-Podilskyi</a> (on Google map
is written correctly, on the OSM map wrongly, always in
two lines): <br>
<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://osm.org/go/0hmtaWQg" target="_blank">http://osm.org/go/0hmtaWQg</a>-<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.google.com/maps/@48.6906937,26.5564268,13z?hl=en"
target="_blank">https://www.google.com/maps/@<wbr>48.6906937,26.5564268,13z?hl=<wbr>en</a><br>
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The town of <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilhorod-Dnistrovskyi"
target="_blank">Bilhorod-Dnistrovskyi</a> (again on
Google map is written correctly, on the OSM map wrongly,
always in two lines): <br>
<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=13/46.1517/30.3499"
target="_blank">http://www.openstreetmap.org/#<wbr>map=13/46.1517/30.3499</a><br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.google.com/maps/@46.1562394,30.4138062,11.81z?hl=en"
target="_blank">https://www.google.com/maps/@<wbr>46.1562394,30.4138062,11.81z?<wbr>hl=en</a><br>
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It should be at least as <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khanty-Mansiysk"
target="_blank">Khanty-Mansiysk</a> in Russian
Federation, in one line at close zooms:<br>
<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://osm.org/go/2xZYTDR"
target="_blank">http://osm.org/go/2xZYTDR</a>-<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.google.com/maps/@61.0084264,69.0622292,12.98z?hl=en"
target="_blank">https://www.google.com/maps/@<wbr>61.0084264,69.0622292,12.98z?<wbr>hl=en</a><br>
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or even better always in one line. For example, we do not
write on the map the names of New York or San Francisco in
two lines. <br>
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The names of these towns in Ukrainian are <i>Кам'янець-Подільський
</i>and <i>Білгород-Дністровський. </i>They are written
normally in one line. These are well-known towns in local
culture. The first was founded in 12th century, the second
in 6th century BC (it's one of the most ancient cities of
with a continuous existence). <br>
<br>
Best regards,<br>
Oleksiy<br>
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