<html><head></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:13px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476402781825_10528" dir="ltr"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://worstofosm.tumblr.com/?soc_src=mail&soc_trk=ma" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476402781825_11019">http://worstofosm.tumblr.com/</a> is a bit sarcastic and a bit tainted dont you think?</div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476402781825_11141"><br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476402781825_11160">The first example is about power lines in Canada. There are people that dont like imports and like to criticize efforts of canadian mappers to develop the map. Let's go further and look why we can see a power line outside of the cut where it should fit.</div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476402781825_11537"><br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476402781825_11838">There are are vast nordic territories in Canada with scarce population, forest and mining industry and in some parts huge hydroelectric projects. Quite different from urbanised territorries south of Canada or in western Europe. No priority to provide imagery for these territories. Some suggest we should leave these territories blank instead of importing data. They are advocating to erase all these bad edits. I advocate for them to come and help us, really help us, not erase the map.<br></div><br><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476402781825_11314">OSM is a complex project with the parts that not all fit well together. You have Nominatim, the Styling, the keys all biazed to reflect a certain reality, often urbanized countries of western Europe and their commerces.<br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476402781825_11871"><br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476402781825_11872">We dont understand the reality of the highway networks in Africa and we dont understand the reality of such immense nordic territories. And we often have difficulty to take account to the various social and medical services or other features that reflect our social and economic activity. If we could reflect this with a nasty picture :)<br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476402781825_10728"><br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476402781825_12052">I will talk about the Quebec province that I know more and where I have intensively mapped power lines, hydroelectric power dams and substations. I have mapped carefully with Bing the James Bay hydroelectric Project reservoirs that span for hundred of kilometers, added the hundred of dams, power station and aligned the Power lines. Try to find any of these from Nominatim. Impossible. The Nominatim developpers dont see any interest to include the power key in the searches. I also prepared relations to combine power facilities related to the various reservoirs. Try to find any. Not easy then for contributors to find these "bad edits" and repair them.<br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476402781825_10966"><br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476402781825_10967">Try to find any of these through Nominatim. Or try to find any village. North of Quebec is a vast territory, the size of Germany but where only 35,000 people people live in remote villages. Try to find these villages on the Map. Is the Mapping style adapted to such territories. Imagery such as Bing High resolution is not available everywhere on these territories. Does these Bad examples selection suggest we should leave blank an area the size of Germany. Anyway it often looks blank with the mapping style since it is very hard while zooming out to have an idea of what you can find in these territories. Zooming-in you have to be quite lucky to find something.</div><br><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476402781825_10969">Myself, I can live with the fact that the power line is not perfecty aligned until imagery is available. Those that prefer to use bot to spot bad edits and revert would be more useful if thy can come and help :)</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476402781825_12426"><br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476402781825_12427"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476402781825_12428">As
you can see, OSM is a complex system with many parts to make a great
map and there are improvements that we can make in many areas. OSM is
not only a mapping project. There are various parts and we have to find
ways to better match the various parts, to be able to share decisions with developpers and better reflect the various
realities of this OSMPlanet.</div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476402781825_12591"><br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476402781825_12624">So the slightly misalligned power line</div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476402781825_12625">an <i id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476402781825_12633">Example of well intentioned but wrong edit ?</i><br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476402781825_12429"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476402781825_12430"><br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476402781825_12431"></div>regard <br><div class="signature" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476402781825_10972"><span style="font-style:italic;color:rgb(0, 0, 191);font-weight:bold;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476402781825_12580"> <br><font id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476402781825_12579" face="garamond, new york, times, serif">Pierre </font><br></span></div><div class="qtdSeparateBR" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476402781825_12581"><br><br></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476402781825_10976" style="display: block;"> <div style="font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476402781825_10975"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, linéale; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476402781825_10974"> <div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476402781825_10973"> <font id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476402781825_10977" size="2" face="Arial"> <hr id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476402781825_12636" size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">De :</span></b> Marcos Oliveira <marcosoliveira.2405@gmail.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">À :</span></b> Jóhannes Birgir Jensson <joi@betra.is> <br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc :</span></b> "talk@openstreetmap.org" <talk@openstreetmap.org><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Envoyé le :</span></b> jeudi 13 octobre 2016 20h19<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Objet :</span></b> Re: [OSM-talk] Examples of well intentioned but wrong edits?<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476402781825_10996"><br><div id="yiv2387869857"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476402781825_10995"><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476402781825_10994">You might have knowledge of this already, but Worst of OSM epitomizes this. [1]<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476402781825_10997"><br clear="none"></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476402781825_10999">[1] - <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://worstofosm.tumblr.com/?soc_src=mail&soc_trk=ma" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476402781825_10998">http://worstofosm.tumblr.com/</a> </div></div><div class="yiv2387869857gmail_extra" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476402781825_11001"><br clear="none"><div class="yiv2387869857gmail_quote" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476402781825_11003">2016-10-14 0:55 GMT+01:00 Jóhannes Birgir Jensson <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:joi@betra.is" target="_blank" href="mailto:joi@betra.is">joi@betra.is</a>></span>:<br clear="none"><div class="yiv2387869857yqt4541788578" id="yiv2387869857yqt25654"><blockquote class="yiv2387869857gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476402781825_11002">I'm giving a lecture in a weeks time on crowd-sourcing GIS data at a GIS-event in Iceland.<br clear="none">
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As we know OSM gets a bit of bad edits, some of them in good faith, a very minor part vandalism. I will highlight a couple of examples just to give people an idea of the risks but just looking at OSM itself so far we are well ahead in risk vs reward for an open GIS dataset!<br clear="none">
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I will mention the edit boom that came with Maps.me editing feature and have a couple of amusing examples from Iceland but would appreciate more.<br clear="none">
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Also if anyone has any statistics about vandalism ratio and other bad edits I would love to see that.<br clear="none">
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