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<p>I disagree with this. A revert is putting right the wrong of an
undiscussed mechanical edit or automated import. *All* undiscussed
imports should be reverted. That will be part of the enforcement
of the mechanical edit guidelines. <br>
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<p>If we want high quality data (and I certainly do) we must enforce
the widely discussed and accepted mechanical edit guidelines and
when someone has flouted those guidelines a revert is to be
expected, and as quickly as possible.</p>
<p>The idea that a bad quality data should be cleaned up so the
revert is not needed is opening the door to yet more poor quality
data imports, some of which inevitably doesn't get cleaned up.
Clean it up *before* it is imported.</p>
<p>OSM is not a database to dump any old data into in the hope that
some kind soul will tidy up later. <br>
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<p>Bad feeling comes from leaving too long before a revert is made.
If the revert is made quickly then the importer will realise they
have to sort the data out before it is imported. <br>
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<p>I fully support Frederik in his continued efforts to keep the
quality of data in OSM as high as possible.</p>
<p>--<br>
Chris Hill (chillly)<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 04/01/2017 21:18, Mikel Maron wrote:<br>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483458699909_421753" dir="ltr">Reverts
should be held to the same standard as imports (outside of
obviously urgent problems). That means a well documented and
visible plan, community discussion. Rob's comment shows that
it is not possible for someone eyeing a revert to judge this
from a quick look at the data or discussion on talk@. Right or
wrong, the communication I've seen from community members
making reverts has left a lot of rough feelings. I don't
believe that this thread meets a community friendly threshold
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we hold off on the current revert regime across the board
until we have as good guidance and practice in place as we
have for Imports?</div>
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<div class="y_msg_container">Hi,<br clear="none">
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On 01/04/2017 07:25 PM, nebulon42 wrote:<br
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> I would revert it then.<br clear="none">
> Violations of the automated edits policy should
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Some automated Wikidata additions have been reverted
by me in the past,<br clear="none">
mainly where they came from an algorithm that used
proximity (and not<br clear="none">
existing wikipedia tags) to match OSM to Wikipedia.<br
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As for Yuri's edits which are based on matching
Wikipedia tags, I asked<br clear="none">
him on 18 November to stop making un-discussed
automated edits:<br clear="none">
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<a moz-do-not-send="true" shape="rect"
href="http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/43775555#map=6/54.750/35.752"
target="_blank">http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/43775555#map=6/54.750/35.752</a><br
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to which Yuri replied (last comment in the list)<br
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"Woodpeck, I have already stopped changing any objects
except the admin<br clear="none">
levels regions 1-6, and even those I have greatly
slowed down, and began<br clear="none">
reviewing most of the auto-resolved wikidata IDs. I
will cease further<br clear="none">
automodifications, and instead concentrate on getting
wikidata tags<br clear="none">
quality review for the admin levels."<br clear="none">
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Contrary to what he wrote there, he's modified more
than one hundred<br clear="none">
thousand objects *after* that exchange - newly adding,
instead of just<br clear="none">
quality reviewing, Wikidata tags.<br clear="none">
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I think that at in a first step, those wikidata tags
added by Yuri after<br clear="none">
18 November need to be removed. It is rather brazen to
ignore our<br clear="none">
existing rules outright, especially after I had made
it very clear to<br clear="none">
Yuri that his edits *are* automated edits according to
our rules. I was<br clear="none">
a bit hesitant because there's quite a few people in
OSM who think that<br clear="none">
low-quality Wikidata tags are better than no Wikidata
tags at all, but<br clear="none">
hearing here that the express desire of other
community members has been<br clear="none">
blatantly ignored just like our automated edit rules
have, I'm leaning<br clear="none">
towards reverting the lot and making a clean new
start.<br clear="none">
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We're not in a rush here - we can afford to wait until
someone who<br clear="none">
actually knows the area they are working in has the
time to add Wikidata<br clear="none">
tags. That will yield much higher quality data than
some automated matching.<br clear="none">
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Bye<br clear="none">
Frederik<br clear="none">
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