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Paul, thanks I hadn't seen that before, and it's a good response.<br><br>Mikel<div><br><p style="font-size: 15px; color: #715FFA; padding-top: 0; margin-top: 0">On Friday, January 6, 2017, 7:05 PM, Paul Norman <penorman@mac.com> wrote:</p><blockquote class="iosymail">
On 1/6/2017 7:37 AM, Mikel Maron wrote:<div class="yQTDBase yqt3989046068" id="yqtfd02345"><br clear="none">
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<div dir="ltr" id="yiv3768096973yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483712500775_16316"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483712500775_27680" target="_blank" href="http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/39517002"><a href="http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/39517002" target="_blank">http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/39517002</a></a> is
an example. There were issues with this import, sure. This was
not vandalism, advertising, or a fatal breakage of the map --
not a situation where an immediate action was justified (and
definitely there are other situations where immediate action is
needed). An active mapper and an active community were
communicating, acting to fix the problems. The reverter in this
case choose to ignore the mapper and the community and took a
unilateral action, in contradiction to some guidelines on the
wiki. This kind of approach discourages community contribution
and cooperation. We can do a lot better to cooperatively improve
the map and how we map it.</div></div>
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The revert in this case did not involve the Data Working Group. The
DWG statement on this issue is
<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="moz-txt-link-freetext" target="_blank" href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ca/2016-September/007260.html"><a href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ca/2016-September/007260.html" target="_blank">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ca/2016-September/007260.html</a></a>.
Quoting from it<br clear="none">
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<blockquote type="cite">Advance permission is not required for
reverts, nor for normal mapping<br clear="none">
activities. At the same time, users are expected to be
responsible,<br clear="none">
particularly when using tools for reverting which allow
large-scale<br clear="none">
changes where other users may disagree with them.<br clear="none">
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Where there are problems with an import reverting is an option,
but<br clear="none">
just one of many, and often not the appropriate first action.
Unless<br clear="none">
there are legal problems or fatal problems with the import it is<br clear="none">
preferable if the original importer can fix the problems in a
timely<br clear="none">
manner. There was every indication this was going to happen in
this case.<br clear="none">
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The revert of <a dir="ltr" href="tel:39517002" x-apple-data-detectors="true" x-apple-data-detectors-type="telephone" x-apple-data-detectors-result="4">39517002</a> was inappropriate and counter-productive.
New<br clear="none">
actions like this revert may lead to further Data Working Group<br clear="none">
involvement and potentially blocks. If the Canadian community
needs help<br clear="none">
reverting <a dir="ltr" href="tel:41749133" x-apple-data-detectors="true" x-apple-data-detectors-type="telephone" x-apple-data-detectors-result="5">41749133</a> and <a dir="ltr" href="tel:41756737" x-apple-data-detectors="true" x-apple-data-detectors-type="telephone" x-apple-data-detectors-result="6">41756737</a>, the Data Working Group can revert
those<br clear="none">
changesets.<br clear="none">
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Because there seems to be some confusion, neither Nakaner or Mikel
are members of the Data Working Group.<br clear="none">
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Frederik Ramm, Andy Townsend, and myself are the three people in
this thread who are also members of the DWG. Unless they state
otherwise, their opinions aren't representing the DWG.<br clear="none">
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Paul Norman<br clear="none">
For the Data Working Group<div class="yQTDBase yqt3989046068" id="yqtfd04311"><br clear="none">
</div><div id="msgSandbox_ALTmjkQAU2TPWHAwxgrlEK20I2E_2" class="msgSandbox" style="padding: 1.5em 0.5em 0.5em 1.2em; word-wrap: break-word;"><div class="yQTDBase yqt3989046068" id="yqtfd03585">_______________________________________________<br clear="none">talk mailing list<br clear="none"><a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:talk@openstreetmap.org" href="javascript:return">talk@openstreetmap.org</a><br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk" target="_blank"><a href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk" target="_blank">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk</a></a><br clear="none"></div></div><blockquote>
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