<div dir="ltr"><div>Hi Joost, everyone, </div><div><br></div><div>You might have seen this already (<a href="http://discovery.ucl.ac.uk/1433169/">http://discovery.ucl.ac.uk/1433169/</a>) - it's a little old now but it is a 2014 report I was involved in on Crowdsourcing Geographic Information Use in Government and there are lots of OSM related examples (some of which have been mentioned). </div><div><br></div><div>Peter</div><div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Feb 4, 2017 at 12:00 PM, <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:talk-request@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">talk-request@openstreetmap.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Send talk mailing list submissions to<br>
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1. Re: OSM for government (joost schouppe) (john whelan)<br>
2. weeklyOSM #341 24/01/2017-03/02/2017 (weeklyteam)<br>
3. OpenStreetCam plugin (James)<br>
4. Re: OSM for government (Tomas Straupis)<br>
5. Re: OSM for government (Michael Andersen)<br>
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Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2017 13:24:22 -0500<br>
From: john whelan <<a href="mailto:jwhelan0112@gmail.com">jwhelan0112@gmail.com</a>><br>
To: Volker Schmidt <<a href="mailto:voschix@gmail.com">voschix@gmail.com</a>><br>
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Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] OSM for government (joost schouppe)<br>
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We have something similar in Ottawa, three bits of Government, Gatineau,<br>
Ottawa and a federal body called the NCC. Each have their own maps that<br>
overlap of their paths for cyclists. OSM is more complete than anything<br>
but all three do have Open Data with I understand designated cycle paths.<br>
They are difficult to map as many are not signed specifically for cyclists.<br>
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Cheerio John<br>
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On 3 February 2017 at 13:13, Volker Schmidt <<a href="mailto:voschix@gmail.com">voschix@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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> I cannot contribute cases where such a collaboration actually happened,<br>
> but two very practical examples where it would be extremely useful.<br>
><br>
> Both regard bicycle aspects of OSM.<br>
><br>
> In my part of the world (Italy) the regional administration has no<br>
> region-wide data on<br>
> - cycling infrastructure (bicycle paths and lanes)<br>
> - signposted touristic bicycle routes<br>
><br>
> OpenStreetMap has much of this data already, it's not complete and it's<br>
> not always up-to-date, but it is far better than what the regional<br>
> administration has. I am trying to push this as a joint project of bicycle<br>
> associations and OSM individuals.<br>
><br>
> Volker<br>
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Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2017 11:15:06 -0800 (PST)<br>
From: weeklyteam <<a href="mailto:theweekly.osm@gmail.com">theweekly.osm@gmail.com</a>><br>
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Subject: [OSM-talk] weeklyOSM #341 24/01/2017-03/02/2017<br>
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The weekly round-up of OSM news, issue # 341,<br>
is now available online in English, giving as always a summary of all things happening in the openstreetmap world:<br>
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<a href="http://www.weeklyosm.eu/en/archives/8683/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.weeklyosm.eu/en/<wbr>archives/8683/</a><br>
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Enjoy!<br>
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weeklyOSM?<br>
who?: <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WeeklyOSM#Available_Languages" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.<wbr>org/wiki/WeeklyOSM#Available_<wbr>Languages</a><br>
where?: <a href="https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/weeklyosm-is-currently-produced-in_56718#2/8.6/108.3" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/<wbr>en/map/weeklyosm-is-currently-<wbr>produced-in_56718#2/8.6/108.3</a><br>
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Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2017 14:20:42 -0500<br>
From: James <<a href="mailto:james2432@gmail.com">james2432@gmail.com</a>><br>
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I've noticed that the arrow for each segment seems to be a bit random and<br>
not actually pointing in the direction the camera is pointed in which can<br>
make it hard to determine which imagery is which<br>
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Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2017 22:54:17 +0200<br>
From: Tomas Straupis <<a href="mailto:tomasstraupis@gmail.com">tomasstraupis@gmail.com</a>><br>
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Hello<br>
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2017-02-03 15:44 GMT+02:00 joost schouppe wrote:<br>
> With the Belgian community, we're making some careful progress into getting<br>
> government to really integrate OSM/VGI into their data management efforts.<br>
> So not talking about background maps here, real data contribution or<br>
> community engagement.<br>
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Here's a general idea what we're doing in Lithuania.<br>
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Government has datasets d1, d2... dn. OSM has one big dataset O<br>
which could be split into datasets o1, o2... om. We take datasets dx<br>
and oy which could be mapped (have similar data, like placenames,<br>
roads, lakes, rivers, etc.)<br>
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Automated importing to either direction is impossible (or not wanted<br>
by both sides). Government datasets need strict accountability<br>
(sources, documents) and responsibility. OSM has different data and<br>
simply overwriting it with government data would be bad in a lot of<br>
ways.<br>
<br>
So the way integration between OSM and government (and actually any<br>
other datasets) is done is by synchronisation - checking for<br>
differences and taking action (mostly manual) on them on both<br>
datasets. By doing a comparison both government and OSM datasets are<br>
improved. The point here is that government datasets usually use<br>
official (document) source to update data. OSM uses local knowledge to<br>
update data. None of these methods are perfect, so<br>
synchronisation/comparison helps to get most/best of both.<br>
(as a separate note: here comes OSM strength that everything is in<br>
one layer - it is much harder to have a road going through a lake or<br>
building or having a street A with address B along it. Government<br>
datasets are usually separate and controlled by different<br>
institutions, so doing such topology checks is much more difficult<br>
there)<br>
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For this to work government must open datasets and appoint a working<br>
contact point where information about problems in government dataset<br>
could be sent and there this information is ACTUALLY used and feedback<br>
given.<br>
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--<br>
Tomas<br>
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Message: 5<br>
Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2017 00:09:52 +0100<br>
From: Michael Andersen <<a href="mailto:osm@hjart.dk">osm@hjart.dk</a>><br>
To: <a href="mailto:talk@openstreetmap.org">talk@openstreetmap.org</a><br>
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] OSM for government<br>
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On fredag den 3. februar <a href="tel:2017%2014.44.47" value="+12017144447">2017 14.44.47</a> CET joost schouppe wrote:<br>
> Hi,<br>
><br>
> With the Belgian community, we're making some careful progress into getting<br>
> government to really integrate OSM/VGI into their data management efforts.<br>
> So not talking about background maps here, real data contribution or<br>
> community engagement.<br>
><br>
> There are some very specific issues and opportunities there. I believe the<br>
> Canadian Census is going that way. Are there any other projects in this<br>
> direction? Is there anything like a project catalogue around?<br>
<br>
An employee of the Viborg municipality (<a href="http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.openstreetmap.org/<wbr>relation/</a><br>
1926898) working on a public "traffic security project" recently added maxspeed<br>
tags to all roads of his municipality based on data owned by the municipality.<br>
I spent some time cleaning up after his initial attempts as well guiding him<br>
the best I could. His plan is to proceed to add maxspeed data to all public<br>
roads in Denmark and just last night he posted on the danish OSM mailing list<br>
asking whether there's any way to automatically add all this data (of course<br>
receiving a bunch of responses to the contrary).<br>
<br>
Nordfyn municipality (<a href="http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/2178137" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.openstreetmap.org/<wbr>relation/2178137</a>) sees<br>
potential in using OSM for a public project classifying cycleways and footways<br>
etc based on an internal classification system planned to be used all over<br>
Denmark. I had to practically roll back their initial attempt (how come they<br>
are getting employees with practically no computer experience save OSM ditto<br>
to do stuff like this?) , but I am currently in contact with them and will be<br>
guiding them as they proceed (they started adding some data again today).<br>
<br>
At least 2 public danish bus companies are using OSM for routing (I have been<br>
in contact with both of them) and both have been adding data to OSM in order<br>
to aid their efforts.<br>
<br>
A long time member of the danish community <a href="http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.openstreetmap.org/<wbr>user/</a><br>
Hammershoej is maintaining cycling routes in Denmark on behalf of the national<br>
danish road administration (based on data he's getting from them).<br>
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