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We're *all* volunteers giving our valuable time to OSM. It could be
more efficiently spent if fixable variations such as this didn't
occur. When I add data I'm, quite rightly, expected to do it to a
certain standard of quality.<br>
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DaveF<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 24/04/2017 13:46, Nick Whitelegg
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<p>Could one of the reasons be that open source developers are
doing this in their own time and have a million other
responsibilities in their lives?</p>
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TBH I think it's a case of live with it and read the
documentation. There are more important things to worry
about.
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F <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:davefoxfac63@btinternet.com"><davefoxfac63@btinternet.com></a><br>
<b>Sent:</b> 24 April 2017 11:31:24<br>
<b>To:</b> OSM Talk<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [OSM-talk] Coordinates in OSM. Really
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<div class="PlainText">Hi<br>
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I'm unsure why go on about anyone being "thrown out".<br>
<br>
I'm unsure why doing it inconsistently in the past in
'legacy' code is <br>
any reason for not trying to sort it out for the future.<br>
<br>
Programmers can reformat to any standard* of their desire
/within/ their <br>
own program. It can't be hard to do; it is, after all, pure
ASCII text.<br>
What's irritating is the responsibility oft the syntax has
been passed <br>
on to the end user.<br>
<br>
What are the reasons the authors of the programs listed
can't coordinate <br>
with each other to simplify it for users within OSM
community?<br>
<br>
* Are they really adhering to a 'standard' or just doing it
one way <br>
because a competitor did it another?<br>
<br>
DaveF<br>
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On 23/04/2017 08:29, Roland Olbricht wrote:<br>
> Hi,<br>
><br>
>> Is there /really/ any need for *six* coordinate
formats? It's hard<br>
>> enough to learn a new process without basics like
this tripping you up.<br>
><br>
> There is nobody who is trusted enough to set an
universal standard:<br>
> <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="https://xkcd.com/927/">https://xkcd.com/927/</a><br>
><br>
> Basically, there is an ISO standard<br>
> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_6709">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_6709</a><br>
> to have latitude before longitude. Leaflet complies,
OpenLayers does not.<br>
><br>
> This is for historical reasons. When multiple
projections were <br>
> commonplace as exchange formats, then they often used x
and y as names <br>
> for the two numbers, and x often decoded to something
loosely or <br>
> tightly related to longitude.<br>
><br>
> However, OpenLayers is too useful to be thrown out just
for having the <br>
> wrong coordinate order. The same applies to a lot of
other tools with <br>
> legacy coordinate order.<br>
><br>
> To have a gentle pressure towards the ISO standard, the
advertised <br>
> interface is latitude-longitude. There are some
precautions for inert <br>
> legacy tools:<br>
> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://dev.overpass-api.de/blog/bounding_boxes.html#lonlat_bbox">http://dev.overpass-api.de/blog/bounding_boxes.html#lonlat_bbox</a><br>
><br>
> As Lester has pointed out, XML requires explicit
parameter names. By <br>
> the way, I am not aware of anybody actively using the
XML syntax. You <br>
> can safely ignore that.<br>
><br>
> For the delimiter question: There are programming
languages with a <br>
> combined market share of almost 90% that agree to have
to semanticy in <br>
> whitespace. The sole widespread-used exception is
Python. Once again: <br>
> Are you seriously asking the OSM community for a
crusade to throw out <br>
> Python for minor syntactic infrigement?<br>
><br>
> Beside Python, the delimiters are always commas and
semi-colons. As <br>
> commas tend to be used to delimit parameters, they are
for the numbers <br>
> of the bounding box the delimiters of choice.<br>
><br>
> Cheers,<br>
><br>
> Roland<br>
><br>
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