<div dir="ltr"><span style="font-size:12.8px">>Yes, to re-iterate: my question is about things we can do now. Vector</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">>tiles are on the horizon, but are likely to take a year or more from</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">>now. Changing some of the labels is something we could do with one</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">>line of code and roll out tomorrow, if we wanted to.<br></span><br>What about the other alternatives?<div><br><div>for example:</div><div>- just adding ALL (official[1]) dual languages for only Z0-Z8 level, and keeping the current design for Z9-Z19<br><br></div></div><div>so there will be (z0-z8)</div><div>- local + english</div><div>- local + chinese</div><div>- local + arabic</div><div>- local + japanese</div><div>- local + russian<br>- local + german<br></div><div>- local + spanish</div><div>- ... </div><div>- local + greek</div><div>- local + hungarian</div><div>- local + ....</div><div>- .....</div><div><br></div><div>[1] <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_official_languages">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_official_languages</a><br><br></div><div>For the small languages, it will be useful for fixing data problems early, and IMHO a better transition for a full multi-language support.</div><div><br></div><div><br><span style="font-size:12.8px">>The openstreetmap-carto team quite frequently receives requests to </span><span style="font-size:12.8px">(additionally) display labels in English </span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">> (or in any case the </span><span style="font-size:12.8px">Latin-alphabet)<br></span><br></div><div>We must remember the survivorship bias [ <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survivorship_bias">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survivorship_bias</a> ] </div><div>People who can't speak English - can't complain in the English forum. ( lack of visibility )</div><div><br></div><div>And the other question: Adding the English language now - <span style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(106,106,106)">can be counterproductive </span>for implementing the full multi-language support? ( for example - less urgency?)</div><div> </div><div>Imre </div><div>/native Hungarian/</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2017-09-25 13:48 GMT+02:00 Matthijs Melissen <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:info@matthijsmelissen.nl" target="_blank">info@matthijsmelissen.nl</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class="">On 25 September 2017 at 13:21, Richard Fairhurst <<a href="mailto:richard@systemed.net">richard@systemed.net</a>> wrote:<br>
> Frederik Ramm wrote:<br>
>> I'd invest the available brainpower in steps needed to achieve<br>
>> this goal, even if it's a year or two in the future.<br>
><br>
> Which means vector tiles... which we should be looking at anyway.<br>
><br>
> But that needs to be a separate project really, rather than a facet of<br>
> openstreetmap-carto.<br>
<br>
</span>Yes, to re-iterate: my question is about things we can do now. Vector<br>
tiles are on the horizon, but are likely to take a year or more from<br>
now. Changing some of the labels is something we could do with one<br>
line of code and roll out tomorrow, if we wanted to.<br>
<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
-- Matthijs<br>
</font></span><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br>
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