<html><head></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:13px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1506772779643_396037" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1506772779643_396092"><font id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1506772779643_396056" size="2" face="Arial">Christoph Hormann wrote:<br></font></span></div><div class="signature" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1506772779643_396035">> a) I am unmotivated to map in areas where imports are in progress or <br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1506772779643_396101" clear="none">> regularly taking place (yes, i am talking about Canada).<br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1506772779643_396102" clear="none"><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1506772779643_396103"><br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1506772779643_396105">We often see such reactions (what is good, what is bad) without any analysis of the situation.</div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1506772779643_396324"><br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1506772779643_396322">Do you know Canada, have you tried to measure the effort to map the millions of lakes, the efforts to spot nordic villages, roads, industrie, tourism activities spread over a huge territory and where this is not the priority to provide new high resolution maps? <br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1506772779643_396307"><br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1506772779643_396305">This is quite demotivating for us working hard to map north of Canada to continously see such negative messages about our work ;)<br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1506772779643_396303"><span style="font-style:italic;color:rgb(0, 0, 191);font-weight:bold;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1506772779643_396077"> </span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1506772779643_396301" dir="ltr">regard<br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1506772779643_396299"><span style="font-style:italic;color:rgb(0, 0, 191);font-weight:bold;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1506772779643_396077"></span><br></div><span style="font-style:italic;color:rgb(0, 0, 191);font-weight:bold;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1506772779643_396077"><font id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1506772779643_396076" face="garamond, new york, times, serif">Pierre </font><br></span></div><div class="qtdSeparateBR" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1506772779643_396034"><br><br></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1506772779643_396028" style="display: block;"> <div style="font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1506772779643_396027"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, linéale; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1506772779643_396026"> <div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1506772779643_396025"> <font id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1506772779643_396024" size="2" face="Arial"> <hr id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1506772779643_396040" size="1"> <b id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1506772779643_396058"><span style="font-weight:bold;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1506772779643_396057">De :</span></b> Christoph Hormann <osm@imagico.de><br> <b id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1506772779643_396051"><span style="font-weight: bold;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1506772779643_396050">À :</span></b> talk@openstreetmap.org <br> <b id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1506772779643_396043"><span style="font-weight: bold;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1506772779643_396042">Envoyé le :</span></b> lundi 2 octobre 2017 12h53<br> <b id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1506772779643_396048"><span style="font-weight: bold;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1506772779643_396047">Objet :</span></b> Re: [OSM-talk] A thought on bot edits<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1506772779643_396045"><br>On Monday 02 October 2017, Martijn van Exel wrote:<br clear="none">> I find this discussion and your proposal interesting to explore, at<br clear="none">> least as a hypothetical. Do we know 1) what the volume of bot edits<br clear="none">> is and how it has grown <br clear="none"><br clear="none">No, but i thought as well this would be an interesting thing to study. <br clear="none">Of course you would need to make some definition of what a bot edit is <br clear="none">that can be automatically analyzed - which is difficult. But even a <br clear="none">hairy definition might allow to identify rough trends.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">There is little doubt that the volume of bot edits has grown recently <br clear="none">but if it has actually grown much faster than the manual editing volume <br clear="none">overall is not easy to determine. I mostly look at remote areas and <br clear="none">there the raise in dominance of automated editing activities is massive <br clear="none">but the manual editing activity in these areas has always been small <br clear="none">and sporadic so this is certainly not an observation you can <br clear="none">extrapolate to the whole.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">> 2) how many mappers have actually given up <br clear="none">> based upon this? <br clear="none"><br clear="none">Again i can only answer this based on my own experience and<br clear="none"><br clear="none">a) I am unmotivated to map in areas where imports are in progress or <br clear="none">regularly taking place (yes, i am talking about Canada).<br clear="none">b) My primary motivation for mapping in OSM is that what i map gets <br clear="none">improved by other craft mappers so what we produce together is better <br clear="none">than what each of us can produce on our own. If the only changes that <br clear="none">are going to be made to my mapping work after i upload it to OSM are <br clear="none">made by bots there would be no results from that that would be any <br clear="none">better than what i could produce on my own because i could simply run <br clear="none">the bots on my own privately mapped data.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Of course i am certainly not representative for the typical mappers. I <br clear="none">would suspect there are probably mappers that would be attracted and <br clear="none">motivated by an OSM project where bots routinely 'fix' data <br clear="none">inconsistencies like typos in tags, different spellings of common names <br clear="none">or automatically orthogonalize building geometries. But there are <br clear="none">others who don't like this. One motivation behind my suggestion was <br clear="none">that this would allow mappers to embrace bot edits but also allows them <br clear="none">to reject this and decide they only want to interact with other craft <br clear="none">mappers and not with bots.<div class="yqt3421162045" id="yqtfd30552"><br clear="none"><br clear="none">-- <br clear="none">Christoph Hormann<br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="http://www.imagico.de/" target="_blank">http://www.imagico.de/</a><br clear="none"><br clear="none">_______________________________________________<br clear="none">talk mailing list<br clear="none"><a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:talk@openstreetmap.org" href="mailto:talk@openstreetmap.org">talk@openstreetmap.org</a><br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk" target="_blank">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk</a><br clear="none"></div><br><br></div> </div> </div> </div></div></body></html>