<div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 9:06 AM, Ian Dees <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ian.dees@gmail.com" target="_blank">ian.dees@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><span class=""><div class="gmail_extra" dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote">On Oct 23, 2017 08:59, "Mikel Maron" <<a href="mailto:mikel.maron@gmail.com" target="_blank">mikel.maron@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="m_7220492595994618605quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="font-family:Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px" dir="auto"><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">However ... I hope we can also agree that it is counter productive to start off such discussions in such an argumentative pose. I hear a lot of distrust in phrases like "misrepresentation", "claiming ownership", "<span style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">exactly what HOT doesn't do". It's emotionally draining for me to read things like this, and I don't think I'm alone. There is always more we can learn from each other, about what to do and how to do it. We are all here in OpenStreetMap because we love the map. Can we please use that as a starting point in our interactions, and focus on helping each other to make the map together?</span></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div></span><div dir="auto">Yes, thanks for bringing this up Mikel. Combative questions and the assumption that the other party is trying to attack OSM makes threads like this extremely difficult to participate in. People interested in having a conversation about OSM avoid the mailing lists because of threads like this and it hurts our community.</div><div class="gmail_extra" dir="auto"></div></div>
<br></blockquote><div>Thanks Mikel and Ian for your respectful push back. The talk list should be a place of collaboration with respectful dialog as we all seek to improve OSM.</div><div><br></div><div>Clifford</div></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div>@osm_seattle<br></div><div><a href="http://osm_seattle.snowandsnow.us" target="_blank">osm_seattle.snowandsnow.us</a></div><div>OpenStreetMap: Maps with a human touch</div></div></div>
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