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On 28/10/2017 14:53, Blake Girardot wrote:<br>
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Please read his personal page on the wiki to understand his overall
goal and why to achieve it he has made a lot (like thousands) of
edits: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Verdy_p">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Verdy_p</a></pre>
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I've read many, many screeds written by him over the last couple of
years, but they all come across as "never mind the quality, feel the
width". The text that Marcos Oliveira quoted further down the
thread is pretty typical; you could easily refute all of points
raised one by one ("I've fixed them as soon as they were
discovered", "I've been very tolerant", "But seriously, if I ever
made some temporary real mistake, did I ever refuse to correct it? "
etc.), but it'd be a waste of time; communication simply would not
occur - what he's written is just self-deluding garbage. There are
many, many times when he's been told that his understanding of a
particular issue doesn't match people who are familiar with it in
the real world; but he seems to lack the skills to process that
information.<br>
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I understand we can all be difficult to work with at times, and
sometimes some of us are hard to work with all the times.
Verdy, I urge you to slow down on the wiki editing, </pre>
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That approach has been tried a number of times (including as I
understand it temporary bans from editing the wiki in the past). It
didn't work; that ship's sailed. The only thing that will work now
is a permanent ban.<br>
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And I urge us to keep trying to find a way to understand verdy's wiki
work and work with Verdy on the wiki. He seems to be making real,
important, needed improvements that will make the wiki much better in
the long term.</pre>
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I see no evidence of this. The only edits I see (such as
introducing unnecessary layers of categories) are harmful to the
documentation of the OSM project as a whole.<br>
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<pre wrap="">My impression is that much of verdy's improvements are just difficult
to understand for non wikimedia experts, difficult to explain because
they are complicated. </pre>
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If that's the case, then he's doing it wrong. Let's take a simple
example - <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Derbyshire">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Derbyshire</a> is supposed
to be useful to local mappers and it should be easy to navigate to
neighbouring counties. Unfortunately it isn't due to the
categorisation of English counties and the complete dogs breakfast
that is
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Counties_in_England&action=history">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Counties_in_England&action=history</a>
(primary editor <span class="history-user"><a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Verdy_p"
class="mw-userlink" title="User:Verdy p"><bdi>Verdy p</bdi></a>).</span><br>
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Verdy, I really wish it was easier to understand what you were doing
and it was easier to explain,
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Clearly, if it isn't possible to understand what he's doing, then
he's not doing a good job, surely? Currently he's at 69
"contributions" so far today, and they all seem entirely unrelated
to documenting OSM as a project.<br>
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I offered to intervene in the dispute involving the WeeklyOSM
calendar; but someone else had already been given the "mediator" job
of trying to sort things out. I wish them all the best, but if it
doesn't work out then I think a permanent ban is the only option.<br>
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Let's not forget what the wiki is for - it's supposed to document
OSM; to serve mappers. If it fails to do that - e.g. if people like
Blake fail to understand why edits are made - then it's failed.<br>
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Best Regards,<br>
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Andy<br>
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