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<div style="font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">Lurking, but first time posting. I was trying to just ignore this thread, but at this point, I had to add my 2c... My story: I am rather new to OSM community (although I joined in 2009[1], probably before most of you reading this:), came here (again) recently, full of optimism to improve world (literally:). Created complete fancy tool to do fixes in Serbia[2] and along the way, I learned about Sophox. This turned out to be really cool tool to deal with problems we have in Serbia community with 2 scripts (cyrillic/latin) and it helped me a lot, as you can see[3]. Plan was even to get rid of my tool. I was also making plans with Yuri to add support to query individual regions[4]!, and was eager to work on that. However, I learned in this short period that this community unfortunately has very fixed mindset (IMHO!). Yes, I can understand rules you created around here and I understand needs for them, and I tried really hard to obey all rules, stick to them, learn new ones, not to get down whenever somebody interrogated my changesets/reverted my whole day of work without asking, but now that the bot I was doing work under is publicly mentioned in (IMHO) wrong context, and now that it is banned, I cannot collect enough enthusiasm to continue, I just give up from this unwelcoming community.<br></div>
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<div style="font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">Don't get me wrong, I still think OSM is awesome, I will continue to use it as always, but it is just not for me - it is clear that majority of people here is strongly against mechanical edits (it's not about Sophox really?) and I am kind of guy that thinks automation is solution to everything:) (no, you should not take this literally!:) So, all the good luck in this nice stringent community, but I will continue to be just a user:)<br></div>
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<div style="font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">Thanks, Branko<br></div>
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<div style="font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">[1] <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Branko%20Kokanovic">https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Branko%20Kokanovic</a><br></div>
<div style="font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">[2] <a href="https://github.com/stalker314314/serbian-osm-lint">https://github.com/stalker314314/serbian-osm-lint</a><br></div>
<div style="font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">[3] <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Serbia/Sophox">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Serbia/Sophox</a><br></div>
<div style="font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">[4] <a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T179991">https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T179991</a><br></div>
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<div>On Tue, Nov 14, 2017, at 00:32, Yuri Astrakhan wrote:<br></div>
<blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div>While it is easy to throw tons of accusations and be less civil, I will try maintain my level of decency. I have forwarded you a snippet of one of the emails I received (without the sender name). Also, you are welcome to organize some independent person you trust in NYC to stop by and examine it in person, and I hope that person will be decent not to disclose the sender.<br></div>
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<div>I am still in this chat, despite the witch hunt. Which implies I do want to listen, and civilly communicate. The witch hunt is a fun activity for some, but others do provide useful feedback and comments, and that's why I am still hopeful. Note that the ones who offered specific feedback and suggestions have not spoken yet after the changes, with the exception of @mmd (thanks!)<br></div>
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<div><div defang_data-gmailquote="yes">Distorting what? I present my case. Most of the arguments are ignored. Tiny pieces of the emails get blown out of proportion. I said a) why i do it, b) why i think its better than existing system, c) how it makes it easier to review/revert, unlike the current system. And I keep repeating these things from various angles, explaining that at the end of the day, this will make OSM better for everyone. Instead, we are discussing everything but the above.<br></div>
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