<html><head></head><body><div style="font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><div><div><div><font face="Open Sans, sans-serif" size="3">> <span style="font-family: "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">Anyway, it's sad to see that WeeklyOSM has abandoned all attempt at</span><span style="font-family: "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"> impartiality</span></font></div><div><font size="3"><br></font></div><div><font size="3">Impartiality is an ongoing issue for any journalistic enterprise. WeeklyOSM has at times done better, and done worse. I think WeeklyOSM is a really valuable service, and I hope the editors there are open to our help to become a better service for the whole OSM community.</font></div><div><font size="3"><br></font></div><div><font size="3">Let's look at this example, and see if we can come up with something better. </font></div><div><font size="3"><br></font></div><div><font size="3">Compare the original version...</font></div><div><font size="3"><br></font></div><font size="3">> Yuri Astrakhan re-started the discussion on the Talk mailing list about the tool to do mechanical edits (it is now called Sophox). Yuri is perceived by many as unreasonable as before and tries to ignore all the unwritten rules in OSM.<br></font></div><div><font size="3"><br></font></div><div><font size="3">and this version</font></div><div><font size="3"><br></font></div><div><font size="3">> <span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">Yuri Astrakhan re-started the discussion on the Talk mailing list about the tool to do mechanical edits (it is now called Sophox). Yuri is as unreasonable as before and tries to ignore all the unwritten rules in OSM.</span></font></div><div><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><font size="3"><br></font></span></div><div><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><font size="3">This is worse, but I posit not much worse. While the published version does semantically avoid WeeklyOSM making this judgement, the meaning comes through much the same.</font></span></div><div><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><font size="3"><br></font></span></div><div><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><font size="3">Now try this version...</font></span></div><div><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><font size="3"><br></font></span></div><div><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><font size="3"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">> </span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">Yuri Astrakhan re-started the discussion on the Talk mailing list about the tool to do mechanical edits (it is now called Sophox). The discussion continues to be quite contentious.</span><br></font></span></div><div><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><font size="3"><br></font></span></span></div><div><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><font size="3">This is better. It gets the same substantial information across, but does not call out judgement on an individual, and allows the reader to enter the discussion with an open mind.</font></span></span></div><div><br></div><div>-Mikel</div><div><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"><br></span></span></div><div><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"><br></span></div><div class="ydpf9b2c04csignature">* Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron</div></div>
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On Friday, November 17, 2017, 6:52:25 AM EST, Rafael Avila Coya <ravilacoya@gmail.com> wrote:
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<div><div dir="ltr">Hi:<br clear="none"><br clear="none">I've read the majority of the posts of the "New OSM Quick-Fix service" <br clear="none">thread in OSM-talk, and I don't see any partiality in the post of the <br clear="none">WeeklyOSM. In fact, I think they have been very polite and diplomatic.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Cheers,<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Rafael.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">On 17/11/17 11:34, Steve Doerr wrote:<br clear="none">> On 17/11/2017 08:20, weeklyteam wrote:<br clear="none">>> Yuri Astrakhanre-started <br clear="none">>> <<a shape="rect" href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2017-November/079504.html" target="_blank">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2017-November/079504.html</a>>the discussion on the Talk mailing list about the tool to do mechanical edits (it is now called/Sophox/). Yuri is perceived by many as unreasonable as before and tries to ignore all the unwritten rules in OSM.<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> "The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one <br clear="none">> persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress <br clear="none">> depends on the unreasonable man."<br clear="none">> -George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman (1903)<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> Anyway, it's sad to see that WeeklyOSM has abandoned all attempt at <br clear="none">> impartiality.<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> -- <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> Steve<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> <<a shape="rect" href="https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient" target="_blank">https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient</a>> <br clear="none">> Virus-free. www.avast.com <br clear="none">> <<a shape="rect" href="https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient" target="_blank">https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient</a>> <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2><br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> _______________________________________________<br clear="none">> talk mailing list<br clear="none">> <a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:talk@openstreetmap.org" href="mailto:talk@openstreetmap.org">talk@openstreetmap.org</a><br clear="none">> <a shape="rect" href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk" target="_blank">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk</a><div class="yqt5501619748" id="yqtfd60852"><br clear="none">> <br clear="none"><br clear="none">_______________________________________________<br clear="none">talk mailing list<br clear="none"><a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:talk@openstreetmap.org" href="mailto:talk@openstreetmap.org">talk@openstreetmap.org</a><br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk" target="_blank">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk</a><br clear="none"></div></div></div>
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