<div dir="ltr">James, this is not about hurt feelings. This is about misrepresentation.<br><br>Last week I re-wrote Sophox tool based on the community feedback. The new tool uses the same approaches as existing tools. Yet, somehow I violated some unwritten rule by creating a new tool? This is bogus.<br><br>There were many OSM edits I have done in the past. Some of them might have broken the rules. How does that relate to the new tool discussion? The conversation was about the new tool that does things the same way as several other tools.<br><br>How does that break "unwritten rules"?<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Nov 18, 2017 at 5:24 AM, James <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:james2432@gmail.com" target="_blank">james2432@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">Seriously this is what 2017 has become? A bunch of snowflakes argueing whoes feelings are hurt? Seriously grow up people, the world is not full of cupcakes and rainbows.<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">"Yuri is perceived by many as unreasonable as before and tries to ignore all the unwritten rules in OSM."<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I was somewhat following that email thread and there were many people sayong that yuri was unreasonable and that he was ignoring the rules for mechanical edits. Journalists are allowed to summarize the general tone of a situation without being perceived as "taking sides".</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="h5">On Nov 17, 2017 10:49 PM, "Clifford Snow" <<a href="mailto:clifford@snowandsnow.us" target="_blank">clifford@snowandsnow.us</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div class="h5"><div dir="ltr">Andy,<br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 4:10 PM, Andy Townsend <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ajt1047@gmail.com" target="_blank">ajt1047@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div>I think we are all thankful for the newsletter. And
believe they are free to publish to their own standards.
However, because they use OSM resources by publishing on our
mailing lists they need respect our values. I don't think
asking a publication to be respectful to individuals is
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Clifford,<br>
Being "respectful" is a two-way street. This is a situation that's
been going on for almost exactly a year now. During that time this
individual has shown contempt for the OSM community, including on
occasion telling outright untruths. Conversations with him were
very repectful at first (conducted in changeset discussions rather
than on mailing lists), but it gradually became clear that any
statements such as "I have already stopped changing any objects
except" were simply worthless. At some point you have to call a lie
a lie, and I can't think of a way of doing that without "being
disrespectful".<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Absolutely. I'm only suggesting that as a community we strive to be respectful to everyone, all the time. That in no way mean that we condone bad behavior. I'm all for calling out such behavior even to the point of expelling/banning the person if reasonable attempts to get the person to change is futile. My basic belief is that all people have good intentions. Our community goal should be to bring out the best in everyone. </div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
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Also, I have to object to the use of "they" and "our" in your
comment. The OSM Weekly is produced by and for people from the OSM
community, exactly the same community that the mailing lists are run
by and for. The use of that sort of divisive language ("they")
reminds me of a visit to South Africa back in the 90s, and not in a
good way.<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Sorry for the poor choice of words. Now you see why I don't offer to edit or write for the OSM Weekly. My grandfather, a former newspaper editor, would have been sadden by my lack of writing abilities. </div><div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div>Clifford</div><div> </div></div>-- <br><div class="m_8035910060489481983m_-6828048964325126309gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div>@osm_seattle<br></div><div><a href="http://osm_seattle.snowandsnow.us" target="_blank">osm_seattle.snowandsnow.us</a></div><div>OpenStreetMap: Maps with a human touch</div></div></div>
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