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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">(first of all, I have not read the backlog of this conversation, only the last few messages)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Hi<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I work for a company that does public transport information and we use OSM for footrouting, POIs and background map. This means we do very general
edits without any particular directives to what, when and how. Basically if we see a problem – any problem – we fix it ad hoc. We might be tracing or importing missing roads (in accordance with Norwegian road import regulations), fixing mispelled names or
improper tagging, draw in railway platforms etc. Because of the great diversity and general nature of our mapping I feel it would make more sense to simply have user profile linking rather than the changeset hashtags. My user would act as the hashtag. Otherwise
we would have to use lots of hashtags for different types of edits or just one that means “this is us” which would only mirror our user profiles anyway.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Therefore I feel I am opposed to the absoluteness of the damand of hashtagging every changeset – although I see its usefulness for mapping events
or Maproulettes.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Also there is a wording that keeps confusing me in the policy:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Georgia",serif;color:#333333;background:white">You <b><span style="border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm">must</span></b> ensure that people looking at your edits know that they are part of a directed
mapping activity</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Looks like the people looking at the edits are part of the activity.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:2.0pt"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#23135F">Johan Wiklund</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#23135F"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#002060"><a href="mailto:johan.wiklund@entur.org"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#002060">johan.wiklund@entur.org</span></a></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#002060"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><a href="http://www.entur.org/"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#23135F">www.entur.org</span></a></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#23135F"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Yuri Astrakhan [mailto:yuriastrakhan@gmail.com]
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<b>Sent:</b> onsdag 22. november 2017 04.16<br>
<b>To:</b> Pierre Béland <pierzenh@yahoo.fr><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Talk Openstreetmap <talk@openstreetmap.org><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [OSM-talk] Directed Editing Policy<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Pierre, I suspect the number of QA-tool-driven changes are as big, if not much bigger than changes from the organized events and paid editing. I agree QA tools should be regulated, but are you sure we want to
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">My understanding is that the original goal was to regulate paid editing and community events. Covering QA tools might make the doc too generic. It would have to take a detailed look at all existing tools, even
including JOSM's validators -- if I edit a location (e.g. move a road), and the tool suggests additional edits in that location (e.g. change the tagging of a connected road), isn't that directed editing that was organized by the validation rule author? Plus
the introduction, and a lot of text would have to be rewritten to dedicate as much space to the tools as to organized events and director's duties.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Just saying that the scope creep might make the statement less concise, and QA tools may need to be a separate document.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 9:44 PM, Pierre Béland <<a href="mailto:pierzenh@yahoo.fr" target="_blank">pierzenh@yahoo.fr</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">There is a constant increae of organized contributions from Task Managers on QA tools and I agree that this policy should include these various organized contributions.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">There should be a goal assure the follow-up of these various projects to assure a better collective coordination of the mapping.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">I am not sure that we could effectively have all organizers of Events create a wiki page. But organizers like for example the Geoweek, that invite to create local events should
have a wiki page well documented. A section could be added to list the specific events + who organize them.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">The Changeset database is the place where we should be able to follow the various mapping projects. There is actually no common way to document the QA or TM host, the specific
project and the various events connecting to the various projects. To document how these various coordination tools should be reported on the changesets would facilitate the follow-up.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Actually, not all instances of the Tasking Manager add an hashtag to document the host and project no. For QA tools, specific projects / missions are not documented either.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">Le mardi 21 novembre 2017 21:21:55 HNE, Yuri Astrakhan <<a href="mailto:yuriastrakhan@gmail.com" target="_blank">yuriastrakhan@gmail.com</a>> a écrit :
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can be applied to any "challenge style" sites such as the MapRoulette or Osmose. I think there should either be a clarification about this, an additional discussion with the community, or a specific exclusion. I know that the preamble is talking about paid
editing, schools, and mapping events, but the text below it seems to have a wider scope.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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