<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div>Hi Michael,<br></div>Could you tell me what buttons are used in JOSM for partial saves? Here in Nepal we frequently upload changes as internet is intermittent this feature would be greatly beneficial for us all.<br><br></div>Regards,<br></div>Gaurav<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 1:13 PM, Michael Collinson <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mike@ayeltd.biz" target="_blank">mike@ayeltd.biz</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p>Hi Micah,</p>
<p>I think you came up with a good answer to your conundrum in an
earlier post in this thread: Don't explain what an optimal
changeset IS, explain what it is NOT:</p>
<p>Something like:</p>
<p>"It helps other contributors understand your edits if you group
what you are doing in a local area into one changeset. For
example, if you are creating the outlines of 20 buildings, group
them into one changeset. On the other hand, if you are adding 3
POIs, (points of interest), that are 1000 km apart in different
countries, then it is more useful to put them into 3 changesets.
Of course, if you are creating the outlines of 1,000 buildings in
your town, you do not have to do them all at once!</p>
<p>If you worried about losing your data, our data editor software
allows you to make incremental saves to the OSM server as you go
along. iD does this automatically. Potlatch and JOSM have buttons
that allow you to save partial work into a changeset and then keep
adding to it until you are done."</p>
<p>[This could probably be improved for readability by non-native
English speakers. And the editor text should be fact checked, I am
a die-hard Potlatch user.]</p>
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<p>Mike</p>
<p>(first post for a long, long time)<br>
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<div class="m_-2681352739571204152moz-cite-prefix">On 1/17/18 4:13 PM, Micah Brzozowski
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<div>Certainly I am not intending to change the community and
require every mapper to comply. If you're an experienced
mapper, you're fine.</div>
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<div dir="auto">I mean new users, who are not yet integrated
with the community. Their work should be checked thoroughly
(in Achavi, osmcha...). All novices make mistakes, after all.
Better to give them good habits. By extension, smaller number
of changeset will lead to less recycling of same changeset
comments.</div>
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<div dir="auto">I made this thread because I found it difficult
to convey what is best practice in short form in changeset
comments.</div>
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<div dir="auto">Maybe I should simplify things when explaining
to them? No need to tell all the conventions, just what is a
good start - but hoping it won't backfire ;)<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">17.01.2018 3:35 PM "Imre Samu" <<a href="mailto:pella.samu@gmail.com" target="_blank">pella.samu@gmail.com</a>>
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<div class="m_-2681352739571204152quoted-text">> one changeset per
building, repeated 20 times<br>
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my typical use case: House numbering on the street:
push the numbers & forget & go to the next
house ( <span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">fast feedback
loop vs. Delayed gratification )</span><br>
- sometimes the mobil app is crashing, and I don't
want to go back 100m to re-enter - the last 5-10
numbers
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<div>> Obviously this makes them PITA to review
quickly in Achavi or whatever tool you use.</div>
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imho: it is easier to group the changeset on the
reviewer side : by user + by hour ( group by
user, hour ) than change the community. <font color="#888888"><br>
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Michał Brzozowski <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:www.haxor@gmail.com" target="_blank">www.haxor@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br>
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<div dir="auto">Certainly not:
<div dir="auto">- one changeset per building,
repeated 20 times</div>
<div dir="auto">- one changeset for 3 POIs
that are 1000 km apart in different
countries</div>
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<div dir="auto">These are real world examples.
In the latter Achavi can often refuse to
run.</div>
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<div dir="auto">That's also why I asked ;-)
It's not that easy to formulate the answer
what is reasonable to include in a
changeset.</div>
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PM "Tobias Zwick" <<a href="mailto:osm@westnordost.de" target="_blank">osm@westnordost.de</a>>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">So, what is
the optimal changeset size, and why?<br>
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Tobias<br>
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On 17/01/2018 14:26, Michał Brzozowski
wrote:<br>
> Many new users have a habit of
e.g. sending one or few objects per<br>
> changeset, resulting in a dozen
or even more changesets per day.<br>
> Obviously this makes them PITA to
review quickly in Achavi or whatever<br>
> tool you use.<br>
><br>
> This habit is probably caused by
non-knowledge of how auto-save works
in<br>
> iD (which makes the work
reasonably secure), as well as just
not knowing<br>
> better thus forming their own
judgement.<br>
><br>
> How should we teach about optimal
changeset size? This is quite tricky -<br>
> how we would define it?<br>
><br>
> Can the iD nudge users towards
better practice? (Linking to Good<br>
> changeset comments wiki page
would be useful as well)<br>
><br>
> Michał<br>
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