<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto">Your message did arrive to the list. Maybe you sent it twice and the moderator rejected one of them (without changing the default rejection message).<br><br><div>-- </div><div>Nicolás</div><div><br>El 30 mar. 2018, a la(s) 10:55, <a href="mailto:cm-sanitas@wp.pl">cm-sanitas@wp.pl</a> <<a href="mailto:cm-sanitas@wp.pl">cm-sanitas@wp.pl</a>> escribió:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
<div>Funny thing. Same thread but on dev mailing list ended up with censorship as well. That is my on topic, non vulgar and not spammy message was rejected because "Your message was deemed inappropriate by the moderator.". Seriously? I am raising the issue that deleting people's massages because you don't agree with them is not ok and someone decides it's good idea to play censor as well. My intention was not to show people in power that they can do whatever they want in OSM community without facing any conseqences. So I am sorry to anyone who wishes to discuss unpopular opinions here. I guess instead of making this place better, I made it worse. Sorry.<br></div>
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Dnia 29 marca 2018 20:45 <a href="mailto:cm-sanitas@wp.pl">cm-sanitas@wp.pl</a> <<a href="mailto:cm-sanitas@wp.pl">cm-sanitas@wp.pl</a>> napisał(a):
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<div id="gwp8536d6d7"><div id="gwp8536d6d7h"><div class="gwp8536d6d7b" data-message-body="true"><div>Hi,<br></div><div>This time I have not risen an issue of the way how the project is maintained/developed. I did it last time, nobody seemed very concerned and for sure not much have change since then. I understand that maybe by being nice you can achieve more. But in the end there are some facts and refusing to accept them because they weren't presented in a kind way makes people a bit <span data-dobid="hdw">delusional.</span><br></div><div><br></div><div><span data-dobid="hdw">But</span> as I said. I am here because of censorship and I wanted to have the decision explained. Someone decided the Nominatim comes under OpenStreetMap umbrella, the fork is being deployed under osm domain, it's linked around the osm pages. I would have expected it runs in more transparent way and it's not run without any over watch. <br></div><div><br></div><div>Mariusz<br></div><div><br></div><div class="gwp8536d6d7_nh_extra"><p>Dnia 29 marca 2018 16:17 Imre Samu <<a nh-compose-link="" href="mailto:pella.samu@gmail.com" target="_blank"></a><a nh-compose-link="" href="mailto:pella.samu@gmail.com">pella.samu@gmail.com</a>> napisał(a):<br></p><blockquote is-minimized="" class="gwp8536d6d7_nh_quote" style="border-left: 2px solid #999; padding-left: 8px; margin: 0;"><div id="gwp8536d6d7_gwpb047b5e0"><div id="gwp8536d6d7_gwpb047b5e0h"><div class="gwp8536d6d7_gwpb047b5e0b" data-message-body="true"><div dir="ltr"><div>Hi Mariusz,<br></div><div><br></div><div>><span class="gwp8536d6d7_highlight" style="background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255)"><span class="gwp8536d6d7_colour" style="color:rgb(34, 34, 34)"><span class="gwp8536d6d7_font" style="font-family:arial, sans-serif"><span class="gwp8536d6d7_size" style="font-size:12.8px"> I criticized that this important service is being neglected and is maintained in a way which makes it quite impossible to contribute to. </span></span></span></span><br></div><div><span class="gwp8536d6d7_highlight" style="background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255)"><span class="gwp8536d6d7_size" style="font-size:12.8px">>... </span><br><span class="gwp8536d6d7_size" style="font-size:12.8px">></span><span class="gwp8536d6d7_highlight" style="background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255)"><span class="gwp8536d6d7_size" style="font-size:12.8px">Can somebody tell me why it is that?</span><br>> ...<br><br><span class="gwp8536d6d7_size" style="font-size:12.8px">imho: </span></span></span></div><div><span class="gwp8536d6d7_highlight" style="background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255)"><span class="gwp8536d6d7_highlight" style="background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255)"><span class="gwp8536d6d7_size" style="font-size:12.8px"><br>my favorite on this topics: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonviolent_Communication" target="_blank" nh-safe-redirect="" data-saferedirecturl="https://zasobygwp.pl/redirect?sig=d39e813cfa6a8edcb2d3cc5d18ba964e6ac21df7aef9f2db71d1ada0399fb9fb&url=aHR0cHM6Ly9lbi53aWtpcGVkaWEub3JnL3dpa2kvTm9udmlvbGVudF9Db21tdW5pY2F0aW9u&platform=desktop&brand=wp">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/<wbr>Nonviolent_Communication</a> <br></span>and according to my experience - moralistic judgments and diagnoses can't help solve the problems. </span></span></div><div><span class="gwp8536d6d7_highlight" style="background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255)"><span class="gwp8536d6d7_highlight" style="background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255)">on the other hand, Empathy ( for the project ) can be very powerful.</span></span><br></div><div><span class="gwp8536d6d7_highlight" style="background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255)"><span class="gwp8536d6d7_highlight" style="background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255)"></span></span><br></div><div><span class="gwp8536d6d7_highlight" style="background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255)"><span class="gwp8536d6d7_highlight" style="background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255)">And If you want to understand the other side, read this: </span></span> "Why I didn’t fix your bug" <a href="http://magnusmanske.de/wordpress/?p=518" target="_blank" nh-safe-redirect="" data-saferedirecturl="https://zasobygwp.pl/redirect?sig=ea65d65ec90537f14b1e725f4a6b7a4501c0045868f7d9ae58f28b095737c8c3&url=aHR0cDovL21hZ251c21hbnNrZS5kZS93b3JkcHJlc3MvP3A9NTE4&platform=desktop&brand=wp">http://magnusmanske.de/<wbr>wordpress/?p=518</a><br></div><div><span class="gwp8536d6d7_highlight" style="background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255)"><span class="gwp8536d6d7_highlight" style="background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255)">so "Be nice" and give a positive surprise ( for example add a picture of a cute animal for your issue; example: <a href="https://github.com/moby/moby/pull/36630" target="_blank" nh-safe-redirect="" data-saferedirecturl="https://zasobygwp.pl/redirect?sig=d216b6cfd22fa03fbab9fbdeca2c1df959a9b807f97922a9fb72b3e6527ee9d7&url=aHR0cHM6Ly9naXRodWIuY29tL21vYnkvbW9ieS9wdWxsLzM2NjMw&platform=desktop&brand=wp">https://github.com/moby/moby/<wbr>pull/36630</a> )<br></span></span></div><div><span class="gwp8536d6d7_highlight" style="background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255)"><span class="gwp8536d6d7_highlight" style="background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255)">disclaimer:<br>- I have 1 accepted contributions: <a href="https://github.com/openstreetmap/Nominatim/pull/690" target="_blank" nh-safe-redirect="" data-saferedirecturl="https://zasobygwp.pl/redirect?sig=de5acf845657bbaf0d3212a3ab70bc3395eecc87a90b7f6eacb50ce30185f90d&url=aHR0cHM6Ly9naXRodWIuY29tL29wZW5zdHJlZXRtYXAvTm9taW5hdGltL3B1bGwvNjkw&platform=desktop&brand=wp">https://<wbr>github.com/openstreetmap/<wbr>Nominatim/pull/690</a><br><br><br>Regards,</span></span></div><div><span class="gwp8536d6d7_highlight" style="background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255)"><span class="gwp8536d6d7_highlight" style="background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255)"> Imre</span></span><br></div><div><span class="gwp8536d6d7_highlight" style="background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255)"><span class="gwp8536d6d7_highlight" style="background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255)"></span></span><br></div></div><div class="gwp8536d6d7_gwpb047b5e0_gmail_extra"><div><br></div><div class="gwp8536d6d7_gwpb047b5e0_gmail_quote"><div>2018-03-26 12:43 GMT+02:00 <a nh-compose-link="" href="mailto:cm-sanitas@wp.pl" target="_blank"></a><a nh-compose-link="" href="mailto:cm-sanitas@wp.pl" target="_blank"></a><a nh-compose-link="" href="mailto:cm-sanitas@wp.pl">cm-sanitas@wp.pl</a> <span dir="ltr"><<a nh-compose-link="" href="mailto:cm-sanitas@wp.pl" target="_blank"></a><a nh-compose-link="" href="mailto:cm-sanitas@wp.pl" target="_blank"></a><a nh-compose-link="" href="mailto:cm-sanitas@wp.pl">cm-sanitas@wp.pl</a>></span>:<br></div><blockquote is-minimized="" class="gwp8536d6d7_gwpb047b5e0_gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div id="gwp8536d6d7_gwpb047b5e0_m_5531142105877038164gwp62a96f5b"><div id="gwp8536d6d7_gwpb047b5e0_m_5531142105877038164gwp62a96f5bh"><div class="gwp8536d6d7_gwpb047b5e0_m_5531142105877038164gwp62a96f5bb"><div>Hi,<br></div><div>Some time ago on this mailing list I expressed
concern about the way Nominatim is being maintained. In short, I
criticized that this important service is being neglected and is
maintained in a way which makes it quite impossible to contribute to. My
opinion meet with hostility (which I don't really mind). But what I mind
is censorship. Lately somebody else noticed [1] that having pull
request opened for 6 years without any explanation why it's not merged
doesn't look good. I contributed to the discussion, explained the
reasoning for having it opened (which was presented to me during last
time I took part in discussion here). Now I look at the pull request 's
discussion and turns out my comment was removed.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Can
somebody tell me why it is that? In my opinion the fact I am not liked
by the maintainers, shouldn't result in deleting my on topic comments.
Is there some oversight over moderation? Can I somehow repeal the
decision? Or at least get some explanation why my comment was removed? <br></div><div><br></div><div>[1] - <a href="https://github.com/openstreetmap/Nominatim/pull/27#issuecomment-370127296" target="_blank" nh-safe-redirect="" data-saferedirecturl="https://zasobygwp.pl/redirect?sig=61354247760763a3ffc8b71f45d9d6893f0945c0bcffe57ced108bf7b779445e&url=aHR0cHM6Ly9naXRodWIuY29tL29wZW5zdHJlZXRtYXAvTm9taW5hdGltL3B1bGwvMjcjaXNzdWVjb21tZW50LTM3MDEyNzI5Ng==&platform=desktop&brand=wp">https://github.com/<wbr>openstreetmap/Nominatim/pull/<wbr>27#issuecomment-370127296</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,<br></div><div>Mariusz<br></div></div></div></div><div><br></div><div>______________________________<wbr>_________________<br></div><div> talk mailing list<br></div><div> <a nh-compose-link="" href="mailto:talk@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank"></a><a nh-compose-link="" href="mailto:talk@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank"></a><a nh-compose-link="" href="mailto:talk@openstreetmap.org">talk@openstreetmap.org</a><br></div><div> <a href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" nh-safe-redirect="" data-saferedirecturl="https://zasobygwp.pl/redirect?sig=3992bc954a1146035fabd073b8568fd1ec8f36cbd2df4fb8998dfffa62735264&url=aHR0cHM6Ly9saXN0cy5vcGVuc3RyZWV0bWFwLm9yZy9saXN0aW5mby90YWxr&platform=desktop&brand=wp">https://lists.openstreetmap.<wbr>org/listinfo/talk</a><br></div><div> <br></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><div><br></div></div></div></div>
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