<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><br><br><div id="AppleMailSignature">sent from a phone</div><div><br>On 5. May 2018, at 15:39, Mateusz Konieczny <<a href="mailto:matkoniecz@tutanota.com">matkoniecz@tutanota.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><p>sui generis database right is not existing in USA. It is existing in EU, including UK.</p></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div>right. And the thing you have potentially to fear is that the owner of the db sues you. If this is both wikimedia (for WP and WD) and they have released WD as cc0, what is the problem you fear?<div><br></div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote class="tutanota_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8; padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;"><br>Copyright doesn’t protect facts, ie ccbysa does so neither. Wikidata is containing only facts.</blockquote><p><br></p><p>OSM also contains only facts. It does not mean that OSM may be freely copied and used without restrictions.<br></p></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div>first I don’t agree that osm contains only facts, because there is the geometric aspect (we „draw“)</div><div>second we don’t publish under cc0 like wikidata and we refer to contract law and sui generis db rights.</div><div><br><br><blockquote type="cite"><p>WRT to database rights in the EU, I don’t think there can be a case between wikidata and wikipedia, and even if there was I am confident it would be settled.</p><p><br></p><p>So - is it OK to:</p><p>- copy location data from Google into a Wikipedia article <br></p></blockquote><div><br></div>I don’t know, for WP it is apparently OK, and also Google didn’t sue them so far.</div><div><br></div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><p>- import this location data to Wikidata (routinely done by bots)</p></blockquote><div><br></div><div>probably they think it is a fact where something is, as this is only about positions (nodes) and not about shapes (geometric representation), they could be right, again Google seems to think it is ok (and is using Wikidata in their database). Obviously the answer to your first question must be yes in order to be able to answer yes here.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><p>- and then import this data into OSM</p></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div>if the data in Wikidata is cc0, it is probably ok. </div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><p>How copying location data[1] from Google Maps (or other source) via Wikipedia and Wikidata differs</p><p>from direct copying from Google maps from legal point of view?</p></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div>if you copy from Google, it is against their terms. If you copy from a cc0 dataset like wikidata and someone upstream sues you for doing it, you could refer them to Wikidata. Are you sure wikimedia doesn’t have an agreement with google?</div><div><br></div><div>Bing gave us a permission to derive features from their aerial imagery. Would any other company have the right to use the Bing pictures for the same scope? Maybe not (I’m not familiar with Bing terms).</div><div><br></div><div>cheers,</div><div>Martin</div></body></html>