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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=DE link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Hello Milo,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>thanks a lot for your long and detailed feedback. I appreciate that a lot.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>The use cases you described with waste, hazards and so on are interesting – for such cases, we implemented a first version to tag posts… so in theory it would be possible with the current API.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>My key thought is: How and where do we get more users who tell the stories and get started with this? Someone has suggestions?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>The POI database – my original key thought was to link the OSM POIs like fountains, restaurants – barely everything to descriptions and pictures to provide the most value added to the community.<br>I’m not certain if this is what you meant by sustainable development goals. Therefore, please elaborate if I got this right?<br><br>Best<br>Tim<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b>Von:</b> Milo van der Linden <milo@dogodigi.net> <br><b>Gesendet:</b> Sonntag, 13. <span lang=EN-US>Mai 2018 13:43<br><b>An:</b> Tim Frey <tim.frey@iunera.com><br><b>Cc:</b> OSM Talk <talk@openstreetmap.org><br><b>Betreff:</b> Re: [OSM-talk] Open sourcing of POI pictures for OSM App/STAPPZ - Feedback and ideas wanted<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US>Hello Tim,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US>thank you for the broad explanation of your product!<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US>I like the concept and me have some particular use cases for which we now use Flickr. I would love to have an alternative to that which could be maintained by a community that is closely related to OpenStreetMap. My usecases are particular for non-google-dominated areas; where users not only enter travel pictures; but also pictures related to particular causes; for instance waste, standing water, hazards and more. They are users which are not so tech-savvy but have an urgent need to tell "a story" to government, officials, police or other matters of public interest.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US>So a POI database with the possibility to enter pictures and information that relate to the Sustainable Development Goals would be awesome. I would love to collaborate on such a project.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US>Kind regards<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>Milo<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>2018-05-11 17:19 GMT+02:00 Tim Frey <</span><a href="mailto:tim.frey@iunera.com" target="_blank"><span lang=EN-US>tim.frey@iunera.com</span></a><span lang=EN-US>>:<o:p></o:p></span></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US>Greetings OSM community,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US>my name is Tim and I’m one of the creators of the STAPPZ app. We want feedback from the community about our open sourcing plan of the STAPPZ app content.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US>What is STAPPZ: <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US>STAPPZ is in short an app and a server backend application. The original idea was to create crowdsourced version of an insider travel guide, where each user can contribute content.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US>That means, you open the app and you post some pictures and a text at a geolocation and when you are online, then the content is uploaded to the server and is available on a webmap. This way, you can create a personal travel diary map. Our original plan was to extend STAPPZ step by step to create not only travel guides, but to also add pictures of POIs<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US>Example: </span><a href="https://maps.stappz.com/region/sicilia" target="_blank"><span lang=EN-US>https://maps.stappz.com/region/sicilia</span></a> <span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US>Android App demo video: </span><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDBh-VrU2Ig" target="_blank"><span lang=EN-US>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDBh-VrU2Ig</span></a> <span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US>Explanation slides: </span><a href="https://de.slideshare.net/TimFrey2/travel-guides-are-old-news-being-a-local-insider-everywhere-is-today" target="_blank"><span lang=EN-US>https://de.slideshare.net/TimFrey2/travel-guides-are-old-news-being-a-local-insider-everywhere-is-today</span></a><span lang=EN-US> <br><br>Background:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US>We managed to get featured with the app at conferences and in a lot of magazines (e.g. Computer Bild, Chip) and got over 10k downloads for Android, but, frankly speaking, we did not get mass adaption to create a sustainable ecosystem. Therefore, we as company had to focus on other projects to earn money for living </span><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Segoe UI Emoji",sans-serif'>☹</span><span lang=EN-US> . <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US>Feedback wanted:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US>We poured a lot of our personal tears and sweat in coding and marketing STAPPZ and today we think that STAPPZ could be used to create picture POI content for OSM. We see that need in special, because google maps is offering more and more picture POI content from users, and I, personally, do not know such an open datapod for open streetmap.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US>Out of this, we consider, heavily, to “open source” the licensing of the user created STAPPZ content for the OSM community. In addition, we also consider to open source the backend of STAPPZ and the IOS and Android app to make a community project out of it. However, we are a very small company and we cannot do that completely alone, we will need help and advice from the community. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US>Technical details:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US>Internally, in the app and the backend, we use only OSM data and maps to ensure not being bound to legal contracts to google. The Android version is far more developed than the IOS version and has complete offline and caching functionality to allow posting of pictures form the gallery and to position the pictures on a map. Currently, the maps part of the app does not work for Android, but we want to enable it as soon as we have time. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US>STAPPZ supports gallery uploads with exif data, cached content and many more things – if you got questions please ask.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US>Questions to the community:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US>What do you think about open sourcing the content, the app and so on? Do you see a value added for the OSM community?<br>Would you support the project to open source it?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US>Do you know companies who would be interested in participating? We are open for collaborations here.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US>Do you have own thoughts and points about it? <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US>I’d really like to learn more here. STAPPZ is a really personal baby for us, and we’d like that it continues to live. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US>Thanks a lot for everyone in advance who reads that – and even more thanks to the ones who are going to reply with feedback and thoughts.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US>Even if you just think the idea is good or bad – please tell us that we get a picture how the whole community sees it.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'>Mit freundlichen Grüßen / Kind regards</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white'><span style='color:black'>Tim Frey</span><span style='color:#888888'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#888888'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br><span lang=EN-US>_______________________________________________<br>talk mailing list<br></span><a href="mailto:talk@openstreetmap.org"><span lang=EN-US>talk@openstreetmap.org</span></a><span lang=EN-US><br></span><a href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk" target="_blank"><span lang=EN-US>https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk</span></a><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><br><br clear=all><br></span>-- <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><table class=MsoNormalTable border=1 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 width=353 style='width:264.75pt;border:solid white 1.0pt'><tr style='height:70.5pt'><td width=88 style='width:66.0pt;border:none;padding:7.2pt 7.2pt 7.2pt 7.2pt;height:70.5pt'><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://www.dogodigi.net/" target="_blank"><span style='border:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm;mso-fareast-language:EN-US;text-decoration:none'><img border=0 width=66 height=96 style='width:.6916in;height:1.0in' id="Bild_x0020_1" src="cid:image001.jpg@01D3EC3A.F1D59100" alt="Das Bild wurde vom Absender entfernt. http://www.dogodigi.net"></span></a><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=230 style='width:172.5pt;border:none;padding:7.2pt 7.2pt 7.2pt 7.2pt;height:70.5pt;vertical-align:inherit'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:15.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#888888;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Milo van der Linden</span></b><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#666666;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>web: </span><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><a href="http://www.dogodigi.net" target="_blank">dogodigi</a><span style='color:#666666'><br></span></span><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#666666;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>tel: +31-6-16598808</span><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr></table><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></body></html>