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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 23/10/18 03:24, Mateusz Konieczny
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22. Oct 2018 16:59 by <a href="mailto:colin.smale@xs4all.nl"
target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true">colin.smale@xs4all.nl</a>:<br>
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<p>On 2018-10-22 16:34, Mateusz Konieczny wrote:</p>
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<p>I strongly disagree, we map reality.</p>
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<p>There is no one true reality, only perceptions. </p>
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<p>There is both a true reality and our biased interpretation of
it. But it many</p>
<p>cases it is possible to select criteria, rules, categorizations
where bias is small and</p>
<p>our interpretation align.</p>
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<p>But anyway that is a philosophical claim and that discussion is
unlikely to lead anything useful.</p>
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<p>Which reality takes precedence in your mind, may not be the
same for everyone. Reality is subjective.</p>
<p>What is the test to apply to decide whether a point is
included in country A or country B?</p>
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<p>In case of Russian/Ukrainian border, as defined by on the
ground line of control <br>
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<p>"is area controlled by Russian army or Ukrainian army" works
quite well, better than <br>
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<p>"is this area claimed by Russia" or "is this area claimed by
Ukraine"<br>
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<p>In the case of disputed borders, there are at least two
realities (as perceived by the parties to the dispute) and
possibly a third reality as perceived by a number of locals</p>
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<p>There is one reality and multiple interpretations of it. It is
preferable to map things so that</p>
<p>interpretations are not different between mappers.</p>
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Some interesting reading here on the 'reality' of a 'country'..<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-11-03/countries-changing-what-it-means-to-be-a-nation-state/10435028">https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-11-03/countries-changing-what-it-means-to-be-a-nation-state/10435028</a><br>
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In particular the Mohawk Nation at Akwesasne is of interest - spans
2 'countries' ... I think it is like the reindeer headers of
Finland/Russia. <br>
Think you'll find the perceptions change depending on the experience
of the individual and possibly their cultural links. <br>
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