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<pre>Thanks for pointing me to it! I commented there about two cases where Mapbox itself is
using OSM data without attribution.
Hopefully this time I will get an useful reply from Mapbox (so far I tried contacting support
but I got no useful reply since 24th January) - though after 4 years author of diary entry
may no longer work at Mapbox.
If anyone has idea how to contact somebody at Mapbox who is able to fix missing
attributions in Mapbox examples/docs - let me know.</pre>
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Don't waste your time, they wont do a thing. If you are naive, like
i was you can contact them through this form
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://support.mapbox.com/hc/en-us/requests/new?ticket_form_id=360000291231">https://support.mapbox.com/hc/en-us/requests/new?ticket_form_id=360000291231</a>
. But dont worry, the birds will let them know your thoughts if you
express your concerns here in the mailing list. I already asked
several times since August 2018 with emails back and forth til
December with ridiculous replies, like asking me url of apps (when i
clearly mentioned which app and device the screenshots were.<br>
<br>
Good Mapbox visibly attributes OSM in such tiny maps examples on
their HOW IT WORK page at
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://docs.mapbox.com/help/how-mapbox-works/">https://docs.mapbox.com/help/how-mapbox-works/</a> <br>
<br>
<br>
The most funny thing about this, is Mapbox attribution page at
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://docs.mapbox.com/help/how-mapbox-works/attribution/#how-attribution-works">https://docs.mapbox.com/help/how-mapbox-works/attribution/#how-attribution-works</a>
page which states:<br>
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<div class="section section-h3 ">
<h3 id="mapbox-wordmark"><a
href="https://docs.mapbox.com/help/how-mapbox-works/attribution/#mapbox-wordmark"
class="unprose color-blue-on-hover">Mapbox wordmark</a></h3>
<div class="body ">
<p>The <em>Mapbox wordmark</em> is a small image containing
the stylized word "Mapbox". It typically resides on the
bottom left corner of a map. While you may move the wordmark
to a different corner of the map, we require the Mapbox
wordmark to appear on <b><font size="+1">our maps</font></b>
so that <u><b>Mapbox and its maps get proper credit.</b></u>
If you wish to otherwise relocate or to remove the Mapbox
wordmark, please contact our <a
href="https://www.mapbox.com/contact/sales">sales team</a>
to discuss options available under our Enterprise plans.</p>
</div>
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So Mapbox deserves credit, not OSM. Funny. Guess money or just a
Entreprise plan can buy anything, even attribution on "our maps".<br>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div class="section section-h3 ">
<h3 id="text-attribution"><a
href="https://docs.mapbox.com/help/how-mapbox-works/attribution/#text-attribution"
class="unprose color-blue-on-hover">Text attribution</a></h3>
<div class="body ">
<p>The <em>text attribution</em> contains at least three
links: <a href="https://www.mapbox.com/about/maps/"><code>©
Mapbox</code></a>, <a
href="http://www.openstreetmap.org/about/"><code>©
OpenStreetMap</code></a> and <a
href="https://www.mapbox.com/map-feedback/#/-74.5/40/10"><code>Improve
this map</code></a>. This attribution is <u><font
size="+1"><b>strictly </b><b><em>required</em></b></font></u>
when using the Mapbox Streets tileset <u><font size="+1"><b>due
to OpenStreetMap's data source </b><b><a
href="http://opendatacommons.org/licenses/odbl/summary/">ODbL</a></b><b>
license</b></font></u>. Some other Mapbox-provided
tilesets require additional attribution which is stored in
the <a
href="https://docs.mapbox.com/help/glossary/tilejson">TileJSON</a>
of the tileset.</p>
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So Mapbox is conscious of it (also that 2014 blog post that someone
already shared). Guess mobile devices getting bigger since then had
the counter effect of "less" space for visible attribution...
plausible.<br>
<br>
Thought my email exchange with Mapbox, alert them several times that
some of their clients, more notoriously facebook and instagram, had
static/thumbnail maps that are not attributed and do not fit into
our non substantial for not being attributed, as they have more 100
OSM elements. So lets read what Mapbox attribution page says:<br>
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<p><a href="https://www.mapbox.com/api-documentation/maps/#static">Static</a>
and print maps <font size="+1"><b>need to be attributed</b></font>
in the same fashion as you would cite a photograph: in a <font
size="+1"><b>textual description near the image</b></font>.</p>
<p>If you can include HTML, use this code snippet that includes
links to Mapbox & OpenStreetMap:</p>
<pre class=" language-html"><code class=" language-html"> © <span class="token tag"><span class="token tag"><span class="token punctuation"><</span>a</span> <span class="token attr-name">href</span><span class="token attr-value"><span class="token punctuation">=</span><span class="token punctuation">'</span><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.mapbox.com/about/maps/">https://www.mapbox.com/about/maps/</a><span class="token punctuation">'</span></span><span class="token punctuation">></span></span>Mapbox<span class="token tag"><span class="token tag"><span class="token punctuation"></</span>a</span><span class="token punctuation">></span></span> © <span class="token tag"><span class="token tag"><span class="token punctuation"><</span>a</span> <span class="token attr-name">href</span><span class="token attr-value"><span class="token punctuation">=</span><span class="token punctuation">'</span><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright">http://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright</a><span class="token punctuation">'</span></span><span class="token punctuation">></span></span>OpenStreetMap<span class="token tag"><span class="token tag"><span class="token punctuation"></</span>a</span><span class="token punctuation">></span></span> <span class="token tag"><span class="token tag"><span class="token punctuation"><</span>strong</span><span class="token punctuation">></span></span><span class="token tag"><span class="token tag"><span class="token punctuation"><</span>a</span> <span class="token attr-name">href</span><span class="token attr-value"><span class="token punctuation">=</span><span class="token punctuation">'</span><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.mapbox.com/map-feedback/">https://www.mapbox.com/map-feedback/</a><span class="token punctuation">'</span></span> <span class="token attr-name">target</span><span class="token attr-value"><span class="token punctuation">=</span><span class="token punctuation">'</span>_blank<span class="token punctuation">'</span></span><span class="token punctuation">></span></span>Improve this map<span class="token tag"><span class="token tag"><span class="token punctuation"></</span>a</span><span class="token punctuation">></span></span><span class="token tag"><span class="token tag"><span class="token punctuation"></</span>strong</span><span class="token punctuation">></span></span>
</code></pre>
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So they do ask for attribution. Lets read Mapbox Terms of Service at
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.mapbox.com/tos/#">https://www.mapbox.com/tos/#</a>[IotuWyuo] :<br>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">7 - .....You may make static exports and
prints for non-commercial purposes such as flyers, posters, or
other short publications for academic, non-profit, or personal
use. <b>All static and print materials must contain the required
Mapbox attribution</b>. Commercial printing requires a custom
plan, please contact our team for pricing.
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Great they do have the word MUST instead of SHOULD. Shame on us for
their interpretation of should and would, their clients must, they
shouldn't.<br>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">16 - You may make static exports and prints
for non-commercial purposes such as flyers, posters, or other
short publications for academic, non-profit, or personal use. <font
size="+1"><b>All static</b></font> and print materials must
contain <font size="+1"><b>the required Mapbox attribution</b></font>.
Commercial printing requires a custom plan, please contact our
team for pricing.
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So Mapbox clients do not comply with their TOS (which i have alerted
several times, both the clients and Mapbox directly). Did Mapbox do
anything, no. OSMF did anything? No. Lets be fair, who would bite
the hand that feeds.... its just attribution. shenanigans as someone
said. its their map after all as they state.<br>
<br>
Which brings to a question that has already been mentioned, the
conflict of interest. This clearly needs to be sorted, Mapbox
(nothing against them) they are just the ones that are having
clients setting the bad examples which are a incentive to others to
do the same and not attribute OSM (which, as i pointed out in my
previous post of a couple of developers/companies that quoted that
for their lack of attribution).<br>
<br>
Now the worst case, Facebook. Here's Facebook reply to my email back
in October 2018:<br>
<blockquote type="cite"><span style="font-family:Times;color:black">We
don’t currently have attribution on the map “previews” as the
map in preview form isn’t very informative and the intent is
that users will click into the experience to actually make use
of the map. Once a user clicks on the map, the attribution
experience is readily available. I believe that this is the
approach taken by many services which offer a map feature.</span></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><span style="font-family:Times;color:black"></span><span
style="color:black"></span>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Times;color:black">With
respect to the use of the “i” indicating attribution, we
understand that may others in the industry have adopted a
similar approach –most likely to address the limited map real
estate and the multiple sources of attribution. We believe
that it’s common knowledge that additional information,
including license information related to the mapping feature,
can be accessed by clicking the “i.” This appears to be
common industry practice and reasonably calculated to make
users aware that OSM is a contributor of a map.</span><span
style="color:black"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Times;color:black"> </span><span
style="color:black"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Times;color:black">Again,
we thank you for your suggestions, and we value our
partnership with the OSM community.</span></p>
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So they also have their own interpretation of when and how
attribution needs to be shown. Screen size doesnt matter here, not
even on desktop they visibly attribute OSM, you have to click 3
times to figure out what's the map is from. When they had HERE maps,
they visibly credited them.<br>
Sounds good that the industry standard is not attributing. Applause.
I replied, never got a reply back in October. Reached Facebook again
in January the 6th 2019 with CC to Mapbox, received the email
reading receipt ( on the 8th), but never a reply. Guess they have
better things to do than to reply to a contributor of OSM.<br>
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