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<p>Hi <font color="#000000">Benoît</font></p>
<p><font color="#000000">My expectation was and is that we are not
going to fundamentally change the requirements, but simply be
more prescriptive for more use cases. just as you outline.</font></p>
<p><font color="#000000">The only case where I currently think it
might be necessary to find something "new" are static (aka
non-panable and zoomable) small map snippets where on the one
hand there are limitations to copyright and other rights that
might apply and on the other hand some practical considerations.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Simon</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 05.03.2019 um 09:37 schrieb althio:<br>
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<div dir="ltr"><font color="#000000">Richard,
Simon, all,<br>
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<div><font color="#000000">I am very happy
with the current requirements and I
think they don't need to be updated.</font></div>
<div><font color="#000000">Maybe the
Attribution guidance as in
Licence_and_Legal_FAQ can indeed be
expanded, with some examples of "Dos"
and "Don'ts"</font></div>
<div><font color="#000000">So I very much
look forward LWG's next work<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote"><font color="#000000"><a
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<div class="gmail_quote"><font color="#000000">Looking
at the current practices in apps and web
maps, that do not meet the current
requirements, I am not happy with missing
or hidden or hard-to-reach attribution.</font></div>
<div class="gmail_quote"><font color="#000000">So
if we have to be explicit about the bare
minimum for online maps, I would require:</font></div>
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Minimum attribution MUST be full “©
OpenStreetMap contributors” whenever
possible, or 15 characters, “©
OpenStreetMap”, whatever fits best.</font></div>
<div class="gmail_quote"><font color="#000000">- MUST have
a clickable link to <a
href="http://osm.org/copyright"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">osm.org/copyright</a> or <a
href="http://osm.org/about"
moz-do-not-send="true">osm.org/about</a>.</font></div>
<div class="gmail_quote"><font color="#000000">- MUST be
big enough and with enough contrast to be
readable and clickable.</font></div>
<div class="gmail_quote"><font color="#000000">- MUST be at
least the prominence of other companies.<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote"><font color="#000000">- MUST be
visible for at least 10 seconds.</font></div>
<div class="gmail_quote"><font color="#000000">- MUST be
expanded by default (expanded at start and
whenever size allows).</font></div>
<div class="gmail_quote"><font color="#000000">-
MAY (optionally) be collapsed to a
clickable icon or abbreviated “© OSM” or
"Terms", "Credits", "data providers", ...
(whenever size is not sufficient, or, when
user clicks to collapse, or, after a
delay) BUT other data providers MUST be
equally treated and any other attribution
(eg. map provider, map hosting, software,
library...) SHOULD be similarly treated.</font></div>
<div class="gmail_quote"><font color="#000000">- MUST be
always possible to click only ONCE and get
back the expanded attribution or a panel
or a full page credits with extensive
attribution.</font></div>
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<div class="gmail_quote"><font color="#000000">Beyond
the bare minimum, I would suggest:</font></div>
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extra visibility, time on screen for
OpenStreetMap, </font></div>
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and extra texts, links, icons for special
pages such as <a
href="http://osm.org/welcome"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">osm.org/welcome</a>
| <a href="http://osm.org/fixthemap"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">osm.org/fixthemap</a>
| <a href="http://join.osmfoundation.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">join.osmfoundation.org</a>
| <a href="http://donate.osm.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">donate.osm.org</a>
| ... and for licences</font></div>
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<div class="gmail_quote"><font color="#000000">As
a test bench last month, we (people from
OpenStreetMap France) have tried to go the
other route: </font></div>
<div class="gmail_quote"><font color="#000000">"let
us display as much information as
reasonably possible within attributions,
for data, tiles, hosting and display (in
French)".</font></div>
<div class="gmail_quote"><font color="#000000">The
result of our experimentation is here: <a
href="https://osm-fr.github.io/osm-fr-front-map/" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://osm-fr.github.io/osm-fr-front-map/</a>
and embedded in the front page of <a
href="http://openstreetmap.fr"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">openstreetmap.fr</a> </font></div>
<div class="gmail_quote"><font color="#000000">so
you can get an idea of what MAY be
possible if you want to display richer
attributions, this way or another, on big
or small devices.</font></div>
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<div class="gmail_quote"><font color="#000000">Benoît</font></div>
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<div class="gmail_quote"><font color="#000000">Extra
notes :</font></div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">+1 to this first
response from Paul Norman:<br>
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rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">With
maps like this, I would expect a
"reasonably calculated" <br>
attribution to have OSM with at least the
prominence of other companies.<br>
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style="color:rgb(34,34,34)">To Andy
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<div style="color:rgb(34,34,34)">> 28
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>> "We require that you use the
credit “© OpenStreetMap contributors”...<br>
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<div>Or 15 characters <span
style="color:rgb(80,0,80)">“©
OpenStreetMap” </span>because:</div>
<div><a
href="https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Licence/Licence_and_Legal_FAQ#How_should_I_attribute_you.3F"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Licence/Licence_and_Legal_FAQ#How_should_I_attribute_you.3F</a><br>
> Because OpenStreetMap is its
contributors, you may omit the word
"contributors" if space is limited.<br>
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