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We really have victims here, it seems. <br>
Dear Christine, thank you for your work, thanks for your help,
thanks for your ideas, thanks for your presence at many OSM events.<br>
Il semble que des personnes n'arrivent pas à gérer des idées
différentes des leurs. Leurs idées seront toujours les bonnes et les
meilleures. Ein iD-Panel ist ein gute Idee, aber ich wird in SOTM
nicht kommen dieses Jahr.<br>
And yes, the message from this list non-reader confirms that having
an updates-unwatched iD as default editor on osm.org is now really a
bad idea. Unfortunately, I (and others probably) will just do
nothing about it.<br>
JB, a sometimes-reader, seldom-writer.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 29/05/2019 à 17:32, Heather Leson a
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<div>Dear Christine, Bryan and colleagues, <br>
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<div>Thank you for this conversation. Christine, thanks for the
consideration. Many people use ID. It is part of OSM. <br>
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<div>Bryan, i will reach out to separately on this topic. My
goal is really to understand using this example on how we
might improve for all people. The negativity is hard for me
to, so we can start with a chat? More in a separate note. <br>
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<div>I have also had some interesting experiences and frankly, I
think OSM deserves to really think and do more. Call me an
ally, but I believe there is room for all of us. Community
health is a big concern. <br>
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<div>Thank you<br>
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<div>Heather <br>
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<div>Heather Leson<br>
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<div style="overflow-wrap: break-word;">Christine..
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<div><span style="font-style:normal">We mustn't define “the
community” as the few remaining handful of people who
have not yet been driven off the mailing lists by
persistent abusers and trolls.</span></div>
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I am very aware of what people are saying about iD on all
discussion channels. I read all of it, even the stuff
written in other languages, and even archives of mailing
lists that I’ve long unsubscribed from.
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<div>I encourage everyone to not put too much stock into
what “the community” of mailing list haters thinks about
iD. It’s the same dozen or so people who have never liked
me or iD much anyway.<br>
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<div>I meet with stakeholders every week about the
improvements we’ve made in iD, <i>and I’m proud of the
work that our small team has been able to accomplish
with each new release</i>. Right now there are 1000s
of people editing with iD (most volunteering, but some
paid) who will never stop by mailing list or a GitHub
thread. They far outnumber the voices that you hear on
`talk` or `tagging`.</div>
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<div>In large part because of the escalating negativity, I
will not be attending State of the Map. </div>
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<div>My strong recommendation to you is to fill the
program with content that encourages community health,
inspires people to be better to one another, and
celebrates the great things people are building with
OpenStreetMap.</div>
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<div>Thanks, Bryan</div>
<div>❤️, 🆔</div>
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<div>Hi,<br>
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reading the discussions about the direction of
ID development and how<br>
the community wants the ID at the OSM website
I had the idea that there<br>
could perhaps be a panel at SotM. Does anyone
want to organize an ID<br>
discussion panel at SotM? Please tell me or us
(program committee in CC)<br>
and we can consider it. At the moment it would
be sufficient to have<br>
someone (or more) who wants to organize it.
All details could be defined<br>
later.<br>
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As ID is a core feature at the OSM website I
think this would be<br>
suitable for the main program at SotM.<br>
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Additionally it is always possible to organize
informal meetings, panels<br>
during SotM in the unconference space (we will
provide a lot of it).<br>
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By the way ticket sales is open. The Early
Bird phase is until 7 July.<br>
Program announcement will be around 20 June.<br>
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We will have our schedule meeting at 8 June.
So it would be good to know<br>
if an ID panel should be planned. Details for
the program booklet should<br>
be provided until end of July.<br>
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Cheers<br>
<br>
Christine<br>
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