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<p><font face="Arial">Christoph i have well documented them and sent
them to Facebook via email on October the 10th 2018 after
receiving their reply on the 9th of October of my initial email
on the 10th of September 2018. On December the 6th 2018 i asked
what was the status or a reply to my email on the 10th of
October, they never replied to those two emails, guess my
"suggestions" weren't valued. I can share these emails publicly
as *.eml if you doubt as see the screenshots of examples i sent.<br>
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<p><font face="Arial">Here's Facebook reply to my email on the 9th
of October 2018:</font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial">Hello Nuno,</font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial"> </font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial">Thank for bringing this
up. <span style="color: black;">This was going to a legal
review because we take community suggestions very
seriously and we’ve looked into the issues you’ve raised.
We don’t currently have attribution on the map “previews”
as the map in preview form isn’t very informative and the
intent is that users will click into the experience to
actually make use of the map. Once a user clicks on the
map, the attribution experience is readily available. I
believe that this is the approach taken by many services
which offer a map feature.</span><span style="color:black"></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial"><span style="color:
black;"> </span><span style="color:black"></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial"><span style="color:
black;">With respect to the use of the “i” indicating
attribution, we understand that may others in the industry
have adopted a similar approach –most likely to address
the limited map real estate and the multiple sources of
attribution. We believe that it’s common knowledge that
additional information, including license information
related to the mapping feature, can be accessed by
clicking the “i.” This appears to be common industry
practice and reasonably calculated to make users aware
that OSM is a contributor of a map.</span><span
style="color:black"></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial"><span style="color:
black;"> </span><span style="color:black"></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial"><span style="color:
black;">Again, we thank you for your suggestions, and we
value our partnership with the OSM community.</span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial"><span style="color:
black;"> </span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial"><span style="color:
black;">Best,</span></font></p>
<font face="Arial"><span style="color: black;">Drishtie Patel on
behalf of the OSM Maps Team at <span class="il">Facebook</span></span></font></blockquote>
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<p><font face="Arial">So their believe is <i>"map "previews" as the
map in preview form isn't very informative"</i>. Well if it
isn't do not use it on the first place. ODbL is clear, "</font><font
face="Arial">any Person that uses, <u>views</u>", i do not have
to interact with to acknowledge the notice.</font></p>
<p><font face="Arial">"<font face="Arial"><span
style="font-family:Times;color:black"><font face="Arial">we
understand that may others in the industry have adopted a
similar approach" so all others are doing it wrong, we are
entitled to do so. That's why lack of attribution is
becoming more and more often, because of this kind of
thought.<br>
</font></span></font></font></p>
<p><font face="Arial"><font face="Arial"><span
style="font-family:Times;color:black"><font face="Arial">They
do value partnership but not comply with 4.3 of ODbL and
OSMF on the license and attribution.</font></span></font></font></p>
<p><font face="Arial"><font face="Arial"><span
style="font-family:Times;color:black"><font face="Arial">Their
legal review is almost 9 months old and from the lack of
compliance, wonder what it was.<br>
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<font face="Arial"><font face="Arial"><span
style="font-family:Times;color:black"><font face="Arial"><font
face="Arial"><font face="Arial"><span
style="font-family:Times;color:black"><font
face="Arial">How many map view has facebook per
day of OSM data? How many Facebook users could
have been aware of what OpenStreetMap is? How many
new contributors could have join OSM? <br>
</font></span></font></font></font></span></font></font></p>
<p><font face="Arial"><font face="Arial"><span
style="font-family:Times;color:black"><font face="Arial">We
must not allow this kind of behaviour, interpretation of
ODbL and especially have corporate members that have this
kind of behaviour.</font></span></font></font></p>
<p><font face="Arial"><font face="Arial"><span
style="font-family:Times;color:black"><font face="Arial"><br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Às 09:38 de 10/06/2019, Christoph
Hormann escreveu:<br>
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">On Monday 10 June 2019, Mateusz Konieczny wrote:
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">As already said it would be a bad mistake to underestimate the
influence the OSM community has in principle. It is certainly much
larger than that of the OSMF. It might be convenient to just say
"we can't do anything anyway so why bother" and Facebook certainly
tries to cultivate a nimbus of being all-powerful and untouchable
but that is definitely not the case.
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Can you propose anything specific that for example I can do,?
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In general raising public awareness is one of the most efficient
measures about this kind of thing. We have for example so far not even
a proper documentation of the various situations in which Facebook
shows OSM based maps to their users without proper attribution.
Once this exists a good next step would be to approach business partners
of Facebook, in particular ones who are interested and depend on having
a good relationship with OSM and publicly ask them (via Twitter for
example) why they are cooperating with a company that systematically
violates the OSM license.
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