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    <p><font face="Arial">Yes it is and  when they reply:</font></p>
    <p>
      <blockquote type="cite">The Livestream Platform does not utilize
        the Open Street Map site or any of the data that you're
        referring to. We have always used another mapping service to
        integrate locations within our event and have no ties to
        OpenStreetMap. <br>
      </blockquote>
      And then you send a OSM History Viewer link of when you added on
      OSM with a printscreen of that same element on their website.<br>
      <br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Às 23:48 de 23/07/2019, James escreveu:<br>
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    <blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:CANk4qi_f86AOQ5XfwwbS5Eba9n8UOfAChE5chmNq7o9P1+dd0A@mail.gmail.com">
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      <div dir="auto">It's kind of funny when people deny osm data as it
        has it's own sort flavour that differentiates it from google,
        bing, here, etc. It's instantly recognizable.</div>
      <br>
      <div class="gmail_quote">
        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue., Jul. 23, 2019, 6:43
          p.m. Nuno Caldeira, <<a
            href="mailto:nunocapelocaldeira@gmail.com"
            moz-do-not-send="true">nunocapelocaldeira@gmail.com</a>>
          wrote:<br>
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        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
          .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
          <div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
            <p><font face="Arial">Months go by nothing happens. here's
                another example from LiveStream, a Vimeo service.They
                have a map (example, press "i" <a
                  class="m_-6096016603830548469moz-txt-link-freetext"
                  href="https://livestream.com/accounts/23202872/events/7200883"
                  target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                  moz-do-not-send="true">https://livestream.com/accounts/23202872/events/7200883</a>
                ) , asked to add the attribution, they replied they do
                not use OSM tiles or data, which i kindly asked how they
                had my contributions on their map. They stopped
                replying, short after saying they would investigate. <br>
              </font></p>
            <p><font face="Arial">Guess what tiles they are using?
                Mapbox. Screenshot <a
                  class="m_-6096016603830548469moz-txt-link-freetext"
                  href="https://i.ibb.co/0njPFyy/ssdasd.jpg"
                  target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                  moz-do-not-send="true">https://i.ibb.co/0njPFyy/ssdasd.jpg</a></font></p>
            <p><font face="Arial">Does OSMF need these corporates member
                that keep acting like this? Who are the first not
                complying with what the community wanted when we
                switched from CC to ODbL? Still the board hasn't replied
                to my request to terminate Facebook license
                <a class="m_-6096016603830548469moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2019-June/082653.html"
                  target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                  moz-do-not-send="true">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2019-June/082653.html</a>
                <br>
              </font></p>
            <p><font face="Arial">Funnily, Facebook shared this today
                <a class="m_-6096016603830548469moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://tech.fb.com/ai-is-supercharging-the-creation-of-maps-around-the-world/"
                  target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                  moz-do-not-send="true">https://tech.fb.com/ai-is-supercharging-the-creation-of-maps-around-the-world/</a></font></p>
            <p><font face="Arial">As a reminder of OSMF articles <a
                  class="m_-6096016603830548469moz-txt-link-freetext"
                  href="https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Articles_of_Association"
                  target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                  moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Articles_of_Association</a></font></p>
            <p><font face="Arial"> </font></p>
            <blockquote type="cite"><font face="Arial">
                <h2><span class="m_-6096016603830548469mw-headline"
                    id="m_-6096016603830548469OBJECTS">OBJECTS</span></h2>
                <p>3. The Foundation is established for the purposes
                  listed below: </p>
                <dl>
                  <dd>(1) encouraging the growth, development and
                    distribution of free geospatial data; and</dd>
                  <dd>(2) providing geospatial data for anybody to use
                    and share.</dd>
                </dl>
              </font></blockquote>
            <font face="Arial"> Are these companies encouraging the use,
              the growth and distribution of OSM, by repeatedly and
              after being asked several times to show the attribution?<br>
            </font>
            <p><font face="Arial">Do we need to ask the board to expel
                those corporate members (equivalent to associate
                member)? <br>
              </font></p>
            <p><font face="Arial"> </font></p>
            <blockquote type="cite"><font face="Arial">18. The board may
                only resolve to expel a person as member or associate
                member if, in the board's reasonable opinion, that
                person's conduct interferes or is likely to interfere
                with the Foundation <u><b>achieving one or more of its
                    objects</b></u>. </font></blockquote>
            <font face="Arial"> <br>
            </font>
            <p><font face="Arial">Who's in need more of who?
                OpenStreetMap or these companies? this is not acceptable
                and OSMF needs to act as companies, their clients
                clearly do not care when contributors contact them
                asking to comply. This is a snowball going downhill with
                more and more companies doing what facebook does and not
                attribution and stop replying to the contributors
                request to add the attribution. Guess we or OSMF is too
                soft on this.<br>
              </font></p>
            <p><font face="Arial">When we switch this was plain and
                explicit:</font><br>
              <font face="Arial"><b>Both licenses are “By Attribution”</b>
                and “Share Alike”. <br>
              </font></p>
            <p><font face="Arial"> </font></p>
            <blockquote type="cite"><font face="Arial">
                <h2><font size="-1"><span
                      class="m_-6096016603830548469mw-headline"
                      id="m_-6096016603830548469Can_I_trust_the_OpenStreetMap_Foundation_.3F">Can
                      I trust the OpenStreetMap Foundation ?</span></font></h2>
                <p><font size="-1">The Foundation is "dedicated to
                    encouraging the growth, development and distribution
                    of free geospatial data and to providing geospatial
                    data for anybody to use and share.", ( <a
                      rel="nofollow noreferrer"
                      class="m_-6096016603830548469external
                      m_-6096016603830548469free"
                      href="http://www.osmfoundation.org"
                      target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.osmfoundation.org</a>
                    ). </font></p>
                <p><font size="-1">But what happens if the Foundation is
                    taken over by people with commercial interests? </font></p>
                <ul>
                  <li><font size="-1">You still own the rights to any
                      data you contribute, not the Foundation. In the
                      new Contributor Terms, you license the Foundation
                      to publish the data for others to use and ONLY
                      under a free and open license.</font></li>
                </ul>
                <ul>
                  <li><font size="-1">The Foundation is not allowed to
                      take your contribution and release it under a
                      commercial license.</font></li>
                </ul>
                <ul>
                  <li><font size="-1">If the Foundation fails to publish
                      under only a free and open license, it has broken
                      its contract with you. A copy of the existing data
                      can be made and released by a different body.</font></li>
                </ul>
                <ul>
                  <li><font size="-1">If a change is made to another
                      free and open license, it is active contributors
                      who decide yes or no, not the Foundation.</font></li>
                </ul>
              </font></blockquote>
            <font face="Arial"> from </font><font face="Arial"><font
                face="Arial"><a
                  class="m_-6096016603830548469moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Licence/Historic/We_Are_Changing_The_License#What_are_the_main_differences_between_the_old_and_the_new_license.3F"
                  target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                  moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Licence/Historic/We_Are_Changing_The_License#What_are_the_main_differences_between_the_old_and_the_new_license.3F</a></font></font>
            <p><br>
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