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<p><font face="Arial">i share the thoughts and concerns shared by
Christoph. It's not surprisingly that most of these companies
are "tied" or are client/service providers of each other, some
are even Corporate members of OSMF. Who would bite the hand the
feeds?<br>
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<p><font face="Arial">Blaming third party media outlets, when
Facebook article title is "AI is supercharging the creation of
maps around the world" says a lot. What maps? Bit of misleading
title oh well, not clear enough. #options<br>
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<p><font face="Arial">Also the video </font><font face="Arial"><font
face="Arial">they have on the article shows in the end the
attribution.</font> Funnily uploaded on Vimeo, that regarding
this
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2019-July/082927.html">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2019-July/082927.html</a>
replied me yesterday mentioning they are having an investigation
between their engineers and their legal department to add the
attribution on the map on their LiveStream platform.... hope it
does not take as long as the steam engine speed legal dept of
facebook that still hasn't figured out since October what to do
about the attribution as when they replied to me in October
2018, as reported here
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2019-June/082702.html">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2019-June/082702.html</a><br>
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<blockquote type="cite">For a <b>tv, film or video production</b>,
the attribution should typically appear in a corner of the
map. <b>As long as the credit is on screen long enough to be
read</b>, it does not have to remain in view during panning
or zooming. For productions with end credits, <b>we would
also welcome a credit there</b></blockquote>
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<p><font face="Arial">from
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Licence/Licence_and_Legal_FAQ#Where_to_put_it.3F">https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Licence/Licence_and_Legal_FAQ#Where_to_put_it.3F</a></font></p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Às 09:34 de 26/07/2019, Christoph
Hormann escreveu:<br>
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">On Friday 26 July 2019, Frederik Ramm wrote:
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This is probably normal for corporate PR people, but for me it's just
disgusting.
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And in that conflict in my eyes you can see the core of the problem.
The corporate appropriation of OpenStreetMap and the OSM community has
meanwhile all the characteristics of a cult. You can see in the
reactions of corporate representatives here - as well as in other cases
where corporate PR misrepresenting OSM is presented, see for example
the comments to the Facebook diary entry that has been linked to or in
the discussion with the Thailand community, that many of them are so
detached from the reality of the hobby mapper community and
non-corporate data users that functional communication is essentially
not possible any more.
I have no solution for this - at least none that works within OSM alone.
But i have strong doubts meanwhile that arguing with people who are
fully immersed into the belief system of corporate PR regarding OSM is
of benefit in most cases. This in itself is a pretty frightening
realization.
There is a famous saying (not sure of its origin) - that fits pretty
well here: It is hard to make people understand something if their
livelihood depends on not understanding it.
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