<html><head></head><body><div class="ydp17401ce2yahoo-style-wrap" style="font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">From Christoph...</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">> The corporate appropriation of OpenStreetMap and the OSM community has <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><span style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">meanwhile all the characteristics of a cult .. <span>But i have strong doubts meanwhile that arguing with people who are fully immersed into the belief system of corporate PR regarding OSM is of benefit in most cases.</span></span></div><div><span style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><br></span></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><span style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">Well this is pretty much a statement to end the conversation, isn't it? I could say the same "cult" about the knee jerk reaction of the self appointed representatives of the "hobby mapper". It does lead me to the same conclusion, almost -- which is that there is no point discussing these topics with you people here. But where would that get us?</span></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><span style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><br></span></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><span style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">I for one would not say anything if I did not personally believe it. I am not here representing corporate interests (at this very moment I'm writing this from the middle of Nairobi's largest slum working on OSM, rather than a comfortable room in Europe). You can still draw whatever conclusions about me you like.</span></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><span style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><br></span></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><span style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">For me, enough with the division of OSM along these blunt, uninformed lines.</span></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><span style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><br></span></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><span style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">From Martin...</span></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><span style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">> <span><span style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">Fakeboosts</span></span></span></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><span style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><span><span style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><br></span></span></span></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><span style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><span><span style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">good one :)</span></span></span></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><span style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><span><span style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><br></span></span></span></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><span style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">> <span><span style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">Whoever reads this and does not have deeper insights into the workings of the OSMF must get into the impression that HOT is an official part of the OSMF / OpenStreetMap, i.e. OSM is collaborating with FB.</span></span></span></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><span style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><span><span style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><br></span></span></span></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Well that very well might be true about perception. But Facebook did not say that OSMF was supporting the project. They representing correctly. We all here get the difference and understand that HOT is a different organization. Making this distinction is not Facebook's problem, but rather HOT and OSMF should do a better job explaining the complexity of the whole universe of OSM.</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">-Mikel</div></div><div><br></div><div class="ydp17401ce2signature">* Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron</div></div>
<div><br></div><div><br></div>
</div><div id="yahoo_quoted_4622807106" class="yahoo_quoted">
<div style="font-family:'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;color:#26282a;">
<div>
On Friday, July 26, 2019, 12:17:38 PM GMT+3, Martin Koppenhoefer <dieterdreist@gmail.com> wrote:
</div>
<div><br></div>
<div><br></div>
<div><div id="yiv1263840404"><div><div dir="ltr"><div>@mikel in Fakeboosts own blog post there is still the misrepresentation of the role OSM plays in this project, due to HOT appearing to be an official OSM body (by the mere utilization of the OpenStreetMap trademark in their company name):</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv1263840404gmail-right-column"><div class="yiv1263840404gmail-columns yiv1263840404gmail-columns-1"><div class="yiv1263840404gmail-column"><blockquote class="yiv1263840404gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex;"><p>“The RapiD tool was developed in conjunction with those in the
mapping community who have been working in this area for many years.
Because this tool was built with their input, it is already having an
impact,” says Tyler Radford, the <b>executive director of the Humanitarian
OSM Team (HOT), which aims to make sure OSM represents all parts of the
world."</b></p></blockquote><p>and</p><blockquote class="yiv1263840404gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex;"><p>The <b>Map With AI team is collaborating with HOT</b> to add more features to
RapiD. For one step in that process, they’ve integrated RapiD into a <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="https://tasks-assisted.hotosm.org/">development branch</a> of <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="https://tasks.hotosm.org/">HOT Tasking Manager</a>, </p></blockquote><p><br clear="none"></p><p><br clear="none"></p><p>Whoever reads this and does not have deeper insights into the workings of the OSMF must get into the impression that HOT is an official part of the OSMF / OpenStreetMap, i.e. OSM is collaborating with FB.</p><p>I am not sure if being a "corporate Gold member" already counts as being in collaboration with OSMF (likely not, because "collaboration" means "working" (labor) together, not just providing funds)<br clear="none"></p><p>Cheers,<br clear="none"></p><p>Martin</p><div class="yiv1263840404yqt6339562414" id="yiv1263840404yqtfd48375"><b><br clear="none"></b></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class="yqt6339562414" id="yqtfd81394">_______________________________________________<br clear="none">talk mailing list<br clear="none"><a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:talk@openstreetmap.org" href="mailto:talk@openstreetmap.org">talk@openstreetmap.org</a><br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk" target="_blank">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk</a><br clear="none"></div></div>
</div>
</div></body></html>