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<div>Your complaint about LiveStream is that their attribution
is completely missing, not that it's behind a click. I agree
that it's missing and that it should be somewhere. It's not
clear at all where they are getting their data (the rendering
looks like Leaflet). If they are looking into it, then why not
believe they are looking into it? They will probably fix it
after they figure it out. DJI fixed it after investigating,
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<p>By inspecting their code from the link i shared you get.
src=<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="https://b.tiles.mapbox.com/v3/livestreamllc.i64m05c3/16/18179/27868.png">"https://b.tiles.mapbox.com/v3/livestreamllc.i64m05c3/16/18179/27868.png"</a>
unless they are using Mapbox without their attribution which i
presume would be unauthorized use of Mapbox....either that or are
premium clients (i did asked them that, they didn't reply
obviously). None the less I gave up on asking Mapbox to make sure
their clients comply with our license and their terms of service,
as they ignore it. Which is a shame coming from a OSMF corporate
member. Anyway i have asked, several times, even public, another
OSMF corporate member to do the same, still displaying HERE logo
on our data. Probably they take HERE seriously (legal) and not
OSMF or OSM contributors.<br>
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<p>About DJI, i presume you know they stopped using Altitude Angel
(the company that omitted the attribution and runs
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://dronesafetymap.com/">https://dronesafetymap.com/</a>) and are now using Mapbox instead as
you can see here <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.dji.com/pt/flysafe/geo-map">https://www.dji.com/pt/flysafe/geo-map</a> Mapbox
owns me a cup of tea for another client, oh well i can refuse that
cup of tea for adding the attribution proudly and not behind "i"
or even omitting. Sometimes i think they are ashamed of using OSM
data instead of proudly showing it. It's not about the data, it's
what you do with it that matters and Mapbox does it well, but
hiding the source is dirty.<br>
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<div>"reasonably calculated" means "reasonable." What does
reasonable mean? Well a court would look at what other people
in the industry do. Do others in the industry list
attribution, especially to multiple data sources, after a
click (or many clicks)? Yes, all the time. <br>
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<p>Discussing the reasonable definition is nonsense. Also comparing
us to the others in the industry is not reasonable as we do not
accept money for providing data or removing attribution.</p>
<p>Why not 100 click attribution? well that wasn't, isn't and never
will be the spirit of open data. Unless OSMF is going against it's
owns Objects of the foundation articles: </p>
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<h2><font size="-2"><span class="mw-headline" id="OBJECTS">OBJECTS</span></font></h2>
<p><font size="-2">3. The Foundation is established for the
purposes listed below: </font></p>
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<dd><font size="-2">(1) encouraging the growth, development and
distribution of free geospatial data; and</font></dd>
<dd><font size="-2">(2) providing geospatial data for anybody to
use and share.</font></dd>
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<div>A court would also look at what OSM does. Does OSM list its
data sources after a link? Yes, sometimes two links (first to
<a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright</a>,
then to <a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors</a>).
Some of this data is also under ODbL! Why is this not
reasonable? <br>
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<p>Thanks for the suggestion, maybe we should fix it and give the
example of one click only, just to avoid unreasonable
interpretations. Anyway it's this kind of misleading
interpretation of adding a simply “© OpenStreetMap
contributors” to the data they are using, like it was some kind of
secret (probably is for none OSMers and general public) that
places OSMF projet at risk as it clearly does not encourage
anything.<br>
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<div>And you are pointing to the wrong version of CC-BY, btw,
4.0 came out long after the license change, but since
"reasonable" is the standard, Creative Commons itself gives as
an example of "best practices" attribution for multiple
sources this page: <a
href="https://learn.saylor.org/course/view.php?id=28"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://learn.saylor.org/course/view.php?id=28</a>
Click on "Course Terms of Use" to see a list of attributions.
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<p>well 4 c) says of CC-BY-SA 2.0 says:</p>
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<blockquote type="cite">If you distribute, publicly display,
publicly perform, or publicly digitally perform the Work or any
Derivative Works or Collective Works, <u><b>You must keep
intact all copyright notices</b></u> for the Work and give
the Original Author credit reasonable to the medium or means You
are utilizing by conveying the name (or pseudonym if applicable)
of the Original Author if supplied; the title of the Work if
supplied; to the extent reasonably practicable, the Uniform
Resource Identifier, if any, <u><b>
that Licensor specifies to be associated with the Work</b></u></blockquote>
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<p><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.0/legalcode">https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.0/legalcode</a></p>
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