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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/7/19 02:54, Martin Koppenhoefer
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<blockquote type="cite">On 6. Dec 2019, at 15:16, pangoSE
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:pangose@riseup.net"><pangose@riseup.net></a> wrote:<br>
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<p>I believe that we should deprecate all wikipedia links as
they are just potentially obsolete cruft that can be
inferred from the wikidata item. (I am also an editor of
Wikidata)</p>
<p>If you really want the Wikipedia link displayed fix your
editor to fetch the local wikipedia link (if any) for your
local language in addition to the label and description.</p>
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<div>I know that people are assuming that a wikipedia article in
language x has approximately the same content as another one in
language y that is linked to it, but this is not the case. There
are often significant differences, even if many articles are
translations from the English version. Wikidata is another
thing. It all started with one wikidata object for every
article, but as the project grows and people edit it (yes, not
only bots are editing wikidata), their objects get split and
refined (subgroups of objects). A common example are
settlements. In wikipedia, political and socio-geographic
entities are often covered in the same article (or they are
combined in one language and split in another). In wikidata (and
even more in OpenStreetMap), these tend to get split over
several objects. Wikipedia tends to aggregate several aspects of
a thing into one article, wikidata tends to separating the
concepts.</div>
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<div>If someone adds a wikipedia link for something, you can see
by the language which specific article she has read and linked
(confirmed). It does not automatically imply that all wikipedia
articles in other languages would also fit for the OpenStreetMap
object that has gotten the tag. Even less for wikidata (which
usually only deals with part of an article, which is not
necessarily the one which fits for the object).</div>
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<div>Just have a look, it happens all the time, another typical
case for issues are buildings and things inside the buildings
(museums, governments, whatever). Maybe it is less of an issue
with natural places (mountains, seas, etc), but in the cultural
world it is almost ubiquitous.</div>
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<div>Cheers Martin </div>
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<p>Good morning Martin,</p>
<p>Here is, for example, the article for the Louvre museum in
Englsh: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louvre">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louvre</a> . On the left part of
this page there is the link "Wikidata item", which leads to this
wikidata page: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q19675">https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q19675</a></p>
<p>On the wikidata page there are links to the Wikipedia articles of
this museum in dozens of languages. This particular museum is of
an interest to the large number of people from many countries for
numerous reasons (tourists, researches, students, etc.). I assume
that the absolute majority of these people will not read the
article in English or in French, but rather in their mother
tongue.</p>
<p>Usually any significant Wikipedia article has got its respective
wikidata item. If it does not have it, it could be created easily.
So instead of adding a Wikipedia article of a museum in a specific
language, the wikida item with the links to this articles in all
available languages could be added. Then in a map editor or on a
map web page, a visitor could be shown the link to the article in
her/his language of choice immediately. So that the visitor could
go to the Wikipedia article directly. But not first to the
Wikipedia article in a foreign language and then search manually
for the link to the article in his mother tongue on the HTML page.</p>
<p>Or even better, he could be presented with a drop-down list of
this Wikipedia article in all available language versions with the
article in his language of choice preselected. The Wikidata is the
structured database, so its contents can be accesses in a complex
programmatic manner. While the Wikipedia article is an HTML page,
so basically it is the final destination for a program. Only human
can read it and go father from it manually.<br>
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<p>Best regards,</p>
<p>Oleksiy<br>
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