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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Still the current map is much better
that say the map from the year of 1538:
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On that old map the continents' shapes
are incorrect, half of the North America is absent. However, such
a map is still better than nothing. People could navigate quite
efficiently with it.</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">I guess the quality of the map will
continue to improve, especially when the orthorectified aerial
imagery becomes available in real time. <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">I also used an app on my phone to
record the GPS traces, however a dedicated GPS tracker has got
some advantages. It is waterproof, it can record a GPS trace for
many hours without discharging the battery of a communication
device. A DIY ultra-low cost GPS tracker can be placed say on the
roof of a car what I would not risk to do with a phone.</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Best regards,</div>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">O.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/30/19 14:41, <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:80hnhtv4agou@bk.ru">80hnhtv4agou@bk.ru</a>
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<div>yes i used a phone to check it out,</div>
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<div>but if the tracers are using old images, who to
say the rest of the world is correct.</div>
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<div>rivers, streams, trails, sidewalks dry flood
ponds bus stops, gates, fences, billboards phone
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<div style="font-color:black"><b>From:</b> <a
title="oleksiy.muzalyev@bluewin.ch"
moz-do-not-send="true">Oleksiy Muzalyev</a></div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Monday, December 30, 2019
6:00 AM</div>
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<div><b>Cc:</b> <a
title="talk@openstreetmap.org"
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<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [OSM-talk] is OSM a
fake map.</div>
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<div
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can make the map quite precise and up to date by
employing a GPS tracker. Here is, for example, a
431 km GPS trace which I recorded with the
Garmin 35 eTrex device (no affiliation) earlier
this month in Mexico from inside the bus: <a
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. This GPS trace is also published to the OSM
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35 uses the EGNOS, the European Geostationary
Navigation Overlay Service, a satellite based
augmentation system, in Europe, and the WAAS,
the Wide Area Augmentation System, in the North
America. It is capable to record a GPS trace for
about 20 hours on a pair of cheap alkaline AA
batteries even from inside the train, bus, car,
or on bicycle.</div>
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is possible to build a DIY, do-it-yourself, GPS
tracker from and Arduino type micro-controller
[1] and a 15 USD GPS module [2]. The total cost
would be about 30.- USD. There are videos on
Youtube on how to do it.</div>
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<div
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one can record a GPS trace while cycling around
a new building or a park, then publish the GPS
trace to the OSM map, and finally to map them
precisely and up to date in an editor by the GPS
traces, even if they are not on satellite images
yet.</div>
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href="https://www.banggood.com/Wholesale-ATMEGA328-328p-5V-16MHz-Pro-Mini-PCB-Module-Board-p-68534.html"
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href="https://www.banggood.com/UBLOX-NEO-M8N-BN-880-Flight-Control-GPS-Module-Dual-Module-Compass-p-971082.html"
rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.banggood.com/UBLOX-NEO-M8N-BN-880-Flight-Control-GPS-Module-Dual-Module-Compass-p-971082.html</a></div>
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<div
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regards,</div>
<div
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12/29/19 22:46, 80hnhtv4agou--- via talk wrote:</div>
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<div>i am talking about in my own
back yard,</div>
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<div>i just hiked a mile down the
street to check it out, it was
not the same when i was there in</div>
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<div>1985, but it did not match
the mapper either.</div>
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<div>to that end, bing is 2015 or
16,</div>
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<div>as an example the county
forest preserve map took from
osm, so mappers have copied that
and it is wrong</div>
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<div>and how do you see thing
under the trees unless you walk
it.</div>
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<div>so who is to say that any of
OSM is not fake.</div>
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<div>if all mappers are tracing.</div>
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title="jwhelan0112@gmail.com"
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whelan</a></div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Sunday,
December 29, 2019 1:08 PM</div>
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title="80hnhtv4agou@bk.ru"
moz-do-not-send="true">80hnhtv4agou@bk.ru</a></div>
<div><b>Cc:</b> <a
title="talk@openstreetmap.org"
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Talk</a></div>
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[OSM-talk] is OSM a fake
map.</div>
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<div>I'm fairly lucky in that in
the last three years nothing
much has changed locally. The
highways have stayed much the
same. Most buildings are
still there.
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<div>If you use Bing to add
things then realistically it
fills in gaps in the map.
If you delete things because
they are not in Bing that is
a quite different matter.</div>
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<div>Does it matter if the
mapper lives more than five
miles away? Well I've
mapped places a few thousand
miles away but they were
places I knew very well as I
used to live there.</div>
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<div>I don't think OSM will
ever be completely
accurate. Having said that
it is still very useful for
many purposes.</div>
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<div>Cheerio John</div>
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<div>it say in
some wiki. to
correct what
you find wrong
on the map,</div>
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<div>not one<font
color="#0000ff"> “other nearby users”</font> is a current mapper, and
all edits in a
5 mile radius
are not coming
from an on the
ground</div>
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<div>mappers
in my area but
20 miles +
away and are
tracing from
bing, and the
images on bing
in my local
area are from</div>
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<div>2016 so i
do not see how
the map
locally is
true, and it
is not easy to
go and see
every thing
they have
done,</div>
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<div>no car or
bike.</div>
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<div>every
thing i do is
backed up by
me on
mapillary, and
in traces.</div>
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