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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Still the current map is much better
      that say the map from the year of 1538:
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On that old map the continents' shapes
      are incorrect, half of the North America is absent. However, such
      a map is still better than nothing. People could navigate quite
      efficiently with it.</div>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">I guess the quality of the map will
      continue to improve, especially when the orthorectified aerial
      imagery becomes available in real time. <br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">I also used an app on my phone to
      record the GPS traces, however a dedicated GPS tracker has got
      some advantages. It is waterproof, it can record a GPS trace for
      many hours without discharging the battery of a communication
      device. A DIY ultra-low cost GPS tracker can be placed say on the
      roof of a car what I would not risk to do with a phone.</div>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Best regards,</div>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">O.<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/30/19 14:41, <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:80hnhtv4agou@bk.ru">80hnhtv4agou@bk.ru</a>
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                    <div>yes i used a phone to check it out,</div>
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                    <div>but if the tracers are using old images, who to
                      say the rest of the world is correct.</div>
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                    <div>rivers, streams, trails, sidewalks dry flood
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                          <div style="font-color:black"><b>From:</b> <a
                              title="oleksiy.muzalyev@bluewin.ch"
                              moz-do-not-send="true">Oleksiy Muzalyev</a></div>
                          <div><b>Sent:</b> Monday, December 30, 2019
                            6:00 AM</div>
                          <div><b>To:</b> <a title="80hnhtv4agou@bk.ru"
                              moz-do-not-send="true">80hnhtv4agou@bk.ru</a></div>
                          <div><b>Cc:</b> <a
                              title="talk@openstreetmap.org"
                              moz-do-not-send="true">OSM Talk</a></div>
                          <div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [OSM-talk] is OSM a
                            fake map.</div>
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                        can make the map quite precise and up to date by
                        employing a GPS tracker. Here is, for example, a
                        431 km GPS trace which I recorded with the
                        Garmin 35 eTrex device (no affiliation) earlier
                        this month in Mexico from inside the bus: <a
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                        . This GPS trace is also published to the OSM
                        map.</div>
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                        35 uses the EGNOS, the European Geostationary
                        Navigation Overlay Service, a satellite based
                        augmentation system, in Europe, and the WAAS,
                        the Wide Area Augmentation System, in the North
                        America. It is capable to record a GPS trace for
                        about 20 hours on a pair of cheap alkaline AA
                        batteries even from inside the train, bus, car,
                        or on bicycle.</div>
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                        is possible to build a DIY, do-it-yourself, GPS
                        tracker from and Arduino type micro-controller
                        [1] and a 15 USD GPS module [2]. The total cost
                        would be about 30.- USD. There are videos on
                        Youtube on how to do it.</div>
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                        class="moz-cite-prefix_mailru_css_attribute_postfix">So
                        one can record a GPS trace while cycling around
                        a new building or a park, then publish the GPS
                        trace to the OSM map, and finally to map them
                        precisely and up to date in an editor by the GPS
                        traces, even if they are not on satellite images
                        yet.</div>
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                                      <div>i am talking about in my own
                                        back yard,</div>
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                                      <div>i just hiked a mile down the
                                        street to check it out, it was
                                        not the same when i was there in</div>
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                                      <div>1985, but it did not match
                                        the mapper either.</div>
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                                      <div>to that end, bing is 2015 or
                                        16,</div>
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                                      <div>as an example the county
                                        forest preserve map took from
                                        osm, so mappers have copied that
                                        and it is wrong</div>
                                      <div> </div>
                                      <div>and how do you see thing
                                        under the trees unless you walk
                                        it.</div>
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                                      <div>so who is to say that any of
                                        OSM is not fake.</div>
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                                      <div>if all mappers are tracing.</div>
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                                                title="jwhelan0112@gmail.com"
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                                                whelan</a></div>
                                            <div><b>Sent:</b> Sunday,
                                              December 29, 2019 1:08 PM</div>
                                            <div><b>To:</b> <a
                                                title="80hnhtv4agou@bk.ru"
                                                moz-do-not-send="true">80hnhtv4agou@bk.ru</a></div>
                                            <div><b>Cc:</b> <a
                                                title="talk@openstreetmap.org"
                                                moz-do-not-send="true">OSM
                                                Talk</a></div>
                                            <div><b>Subject:</b> Re:
                                              [OSM-talk] is OSM a fake
                                              map.</div>
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                                        <div>I'm fairly lucky in that in
                                          the last three years nothing
                                          much has changed locally.  The
                                          highways have stayed much the
                                          same.  Most buildings are
                                          still there.
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                                          <div>If you use Bing to add
                                            things then realistically it
                                            fills in gaps in the map. 
                                            If you delete things because
                                            they are not in Bing that is
                                            a quite different matter.</div>
                                          <div> </div>
                                          <div>Does it matter if the
                                            mapper lives more than five
                                            miles away?  Well I've
                                            mapped places a few thousand
                                            miles away but they were
                                            places I knew very well as I
                                            used to live there.</div>
                                          <div> </div>
                                          <div>I don't think OSM will
                                            ever be completely
                                            accurate.  Having said that
                                            it is still very useful for
                                            many purposes.</div>
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                                          <div>Cheerio John</div>
                                           
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                                                          <div>it say in
                                                          some wiki. to
                                                          correct what
                                                          you find wrong
                                                          on the map,</div>
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                                                          <div>not one<font
color="#0000ff"> “other nearby users”</font> is a current mapper, and
                                                          all edits in a
                                                          5 mile radius
                                                          are not coming
                                                          from an on the
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                                                          <div>mappers
                                                          in my area but
                                                          20 miles +
                                                          away and are
                                                          tracing from
                                                          bing, and the
                                                          images on bing
                                                          in my local
                                                          area are from</div>
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                                                          <div>2016 so i
                                                          do not see how
                                                          the map
                                                          locally is
                                                          true, and it
                                                          is not easy to
                                                          go and see
                                                          every thing
                                                          they have
                                                          done,</div>
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                                                          <div>no car or
                                                          bike.</div>
                                                          <div> </div>
                                                          <div>every
                                                          thing i do is
                                                          backed up by
                                                          me on
                                                          mapillary, and
                                                          in traces.</div>
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