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<p>Hi Tomek, and everybody.</p>
<p>being this an English list, I'll write in English, I'm tempted to
use Spanish, or Italian. my written Latin is poor.<br>
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<p>I'm sorry to disappoint you as an Esperanto fan, but I understand
Polish better than Esperanto.</p>
<p>Should I "vote" on your proposal? I consider this the wrong
place for holding even the discussion. according to me, using the
English language for naming "South America" in the standard map is
bad enough, but I do not think (many) people from South America
will tell you that **here**, because people who agree with you
will not be reading you here. If I know the locals good enough,
they would want the map to be in Spanish just as they seem to have
the impression that the whole world (around them) speaks Spanish.
(I do not know many people from Cayenne, Brazil, nor Suriname.)<br>
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<p>I disagree that the tag 'name' should be removed, and about the
wikipedia tag, and the fact that it generally points to the
english wikipedia version, too bad. you will not solve this by
removing the tag, you may try to educate Latin speaking people to
be more assertive, but I think it's a lost cause.</p>
<p>I'm aware of one place in the world where they have three
national languages: Morocco, and what happens there is that the
map uses the three national languages for all names, and the map
looks so clumsy this way, in particular with the Amazigh name
included (I have tested some locals on their knowledge of the
written language, and I am fairly sure that 95% of Amazigh people
can't even read it). quite regularly, you see people editing the
'name' tag to make it less clumsy, by removing two of the
languages (those they don't like, I guess).</p>
<p>so, dear Tomek, I do not know what's the best option, but
removing the 'name' and the 'wikipedia' tag doesn't feel like the
best one to me. proposing it here, even less. my guess is that
having a language option on the rendered map would be better than
this that you propose. for some locations, I indeed prefer the
openstreetmap.fr map.<br>
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<p>as for the replies you are getting, I've noticed a dichotomy in
the community: people focusing on the actual point, and people
focusing on the form. seems "cultural", and seems that European
toes are less easily stepped upon. "you may try to educate
English speaking people to be less assertive" ;=)</p>
<p>anyhow, cheers, and happy mapping,</p>
<p>MF</p>
<p>(nie piszem w twojm języku … want ik ken het niet, not enough at
least.)<br>
</p>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 05/01/2020 20:39, Tomek wrote:<br>
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EO<br>
Pardonu, mi ne estas provokisto, mi ne kondutas malserioze.<br>
<br>
Mi skribas en mia lingvo (pola) en internacia lingvo (Esperanto)
kaj iam en via lingvo (angla), kial vi ne estimas min kaj ne
parolas en mia lingvo?<br>
<br>
Bonvolu koncentriĝu pri solvi la problemon pri nomoj.<br>
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PL<br>
Przepraszam, nie jestem jakimś prowokatorem, nie wygłupiam się.<br>
Piszę w moim języku (polskim) w języku międzynarodowym (Esperanto)
i czasami w Twoim (angielskim), dlaczego Ty nie piszesz w moim
języku?<br>
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Proszę skoncentrować się na rozwiązaniu problemu nazw.<br>
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EN<br>
<span class="tlid-translation translation" lang="en"><span
title="">I'm sorry, I'm not some kind of provocateur, I'm not
fooling around.</span><br>
<span title="" class="">I write in my (Polish) language in the
international language (Esperanto) and sometimes in your
(English), why don't you write in my language?</span><br>
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<span title="" class="">Please focus on resolving the name
problem.</span></span> <br>
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