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<p>Hi Aaron,</p>
<p>thank you for your writing!<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 05/02/2020 23:50, Aaron Young wrote:<br>
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">in this instance we slipped up and didn’t communicate well enough. We are working to improve that now both in Panama and elsewhere</pre>
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<p>I had a pleasant chat yesterday with Jorge Aguirre, and he
insisted in explaining that in 2015 Kaart as an organization was
very early in its learning process. I suggested adopting/adapting
the <b>Directed Editing Guidelines</b>, and my personal point of
view, which I'm sharing now here, is that whoever organizes edits
should not only follow the global guidelines (I like to think of
them as "Brexit on World Trade Agreements"), but also checks with
the local community, if there is any, what special agreements rule
in the local community. for Panamá, I would like to have such
activities listed in a dedicated page in the <b>wiki</b>. if you
could describe them in Spanish, it would be much better, but if
you're putting an English language page in the wiki, I'm sure
there are enough non-Kaart people who would help translate that.</p>
<p>in fact, editing the local activities page in the wiki would be
sufficient to <b>alert the local community</b>, or at least
anyone watching that page.</p>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 05/02/2020 23:50, Aaron Young wrote:<br>
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">maintain the data to make sure it is as good as it can be, which is what initiated this conversation</pre>
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<p>good news Kaart collecting experience and building on it. may I
suggest you also help local communities make their rules more
explicit. to make a concrete example, again for Panamá, did not
agree on (did not discuss) <b>how to categorize highways</b>, nor
do we know where to collect 'ref' values.</p>
<p> we also hardly have any factual information about rural bus
routes. why is this relevant? a road on which you have a regular
service, however crummy, can hardly qualify as "unclassified", but
would be promoted to "tertiary" at the least. could serve as
reference. also, knowing what kind of car runs the service would
help with the "smoothness" tag. collecting this information needs
to happen locally, and I don't manage to picture the difficulties
and the costs associated to doing this. <br>
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<p>[[as a complete <b>side thread</b>, a concrete example: I
recently tracked a "chiva" only doing a short round trip from
Santa Fé, travelling through El Pantano, which cost me $4. I
uploaded the trace as private, that was a mistake.
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/trace/3198854/data">https://www.openstreetmap.org/trace/3198854/data</a>, one of the GPS
lost power on the way back, I should upload the data from the
other device. with some extra cheap GPS devices (I own 5, not all
equally good), and some official-looking piece of paper from an
organization, one could spend half a day distributing phones
running OSMTracker to bus drivers and collecting them when they're
back. and moving to the next "piquera" for a different round.
rural routes here may come back after more than 5 hours, and I
know of routes where a one-way ticket costs $8. ]]</p>
<p>I am considering how to describe the above, but did not yet
create the relevant wiki page/paragraph. since Kaart is helping
reclassify roads (in Panamá), it would be nice if we had some
agreements on how to do that. and given we did not have it yet,
in Panamá, it would be nice if you publicly offered your thoughts
for discussion, so we can reach an agreement we can describe and
follow.<br>
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<p>for <b>old edits</b>, I would consider very helpful if someone
within Kaart would receive notifications on changesets produced
under the Kaart flag. see BlueSombra, and all other Kaart
abandoned accounts, with all the comments still waiting for a
reply.</p>
<p>a point which I'm afraid has been missed: the reply I received by
Vigo gave me the impression "past is past, and we don't look back
(but you may tide up our mess)". I understand that you're not
focusing on mapping businesses any more, and I realize it's too
much work for anybody, to look up the mess and clean it up, but
there must be other ways to <b>profile yourself as responsible
for the data you added</b>, even if it was while you were early
in your learning process.</p>
<p>ciao,</p>
<p>Mario<br>
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