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W dniu 20-02-25 o 18:43, Mateusz Konieczny via talk pisze:<br>
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<div>Yes, and for pragmatic reasons we use English.<br>
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<div>We are not using Esperanto, because unlike<br>
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<div>English nearly noone is capable of communicating in it.<br>
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<div>We are using English here primarily because<br>
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<div>OSM was started in England,<br>
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<div>and there was no good reason to change<br>
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<div>language of this mailing list.</div>
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OSM komenciĝis en Anglujo, sed iĝis la mapo de la tuta mondo.
Preskaŭ neniu povas finlerni la anglan lingvon kontraŭe al
Esperanto, preskaŭ neniu povas kompreni ĝian nelogikan elparolon,
plurpartajn verbojn, ĝian malprecizon.<br>
<span class="tlid-translation translation" lang="en"><span title="">OSM
started in England, but became the map of the entire world.</span>
<span title="" class="">Almost no one can learn English as opposed
to Esperanto, almost no one can understand its illogical
pronunciation, multi-part verbs, its vagueness.</span></span><br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">W dniu 20-02-25 o 18:28, Hartmut
Holzgraefe pisze:<br>
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cite="mid:eec8b2e5-11ac-c8e3-de26-2102291f811e@php.net"><br>
> EN Is there any major international list to discuss? <br>
> Why don't you go to the "Talk-GB" or "Talk-us" list to
discuss in English? <br>
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Because these are more for topics local to those countries.
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Do tiu ĉi listo ankaŭ estas loka listo por anglalingvanoj, ĉu
ekzistas internacia listo por pridiskuti OSM-rilatajn aferojn?<br>
<span class="tlid-translation translation" lang="en"><span title=""
class="">So this list is also a local list for English speakers,
is there an international list to discuss OSM related issues?<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">W dniu 20-02-25 o 18:28, Hartmut
Holzgraefe pisze:<br>
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cite="mid:eec8b2e5-11ac-c8e3-de26-2102291f811e@php.net">It's just
what has been proven to work "least bad". Does that give <br>
some an unfair advantage? For sure. But would raising the bar for
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everyone by demanding "You have to learn this language, that you <br>
almost for certain have not learned before, to even start to <br>
participate" be "less bad"? I'm far from convinced ...
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Ĝi funkcias senespere, infanoj lernas ĝin por kelkaj jaroj kaj ne
povas lerte ĝin uzi. Eblas samtempe uzi du lingvojn: primitivan
anglan kaj justan Esperanton, post kelkaj monatoj/jaroj homoj certe
elektu la Esperanton.<br>
<span class="tlid-translation translation" lang="en"><span title="">It
works out of desperation, kids learn it for a few years and
can't use it.</span> <span title="" class="">It is possible to
use two languages at once: primitive English and just Esperanto,
after a few months / years people should definitely choose
Esperanto.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">W dniu 20-02-25 o 18:28, Hartmut
Holzgraefe pisze:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:eec8b2e5-11ac-c8e3-de26-2102291f811e@php.net">PS: given
the choice, I'd probably rather learn Klingon than Esperanto, <br>
that might give me better chances to find someone I could talk to
in <br>
that language after all I assume, esp. in the tech/geek sector ...
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Viaj personaj elektoj ne interesiĝas min. Ĉu mi altrudas al aliaj
homoj lerni la polan? Ĉesu altrudi al mi lerni la anglan.<br>
<span class="tlid-translation translation" lang="en"><span title=""
class="">I'm not interested in your personal choices.</span> <span
title="">Do I force other people to learn Polish?</span> <span
title="" class="">Stop making me learn English.</span></span><br>
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