<div dir="ltr"><div>Names with one, two or three languages where there are a limited number of neighbours/occupants seems logical so long as there won't be an edit war over precedence. Languages separated by "/" or similar. More languages than that seems too unwieldy which rules out its use even for some 'relatively small' features. </div><div><br></div><div>At this stage deleting the 'plain' name tags from highly international object is pure vandalism in my opinion. It will continue to be vandalism at least as long as the 'default render' relies on having a name=*. It is too much of a barrier to entry to rely on users having the necessary query skills to surface invisible features, and there would be duplicates as a result of it. </div><div><br></div><div>I see no benefit to changing the 'fallback language' to something else at this stage, especially to a little used construct. Saying "*if* we all taught 'X' language to kids; it would be a universal language" could be said about literally any language whether you are promoting English, Spanish, Lojban or Quenya. How hard these languages are to learn is highly dependant on what languages you have already learned, but this is largely a distraction. People inevitably choose to teach languages with a sizeable history to them first, novel inventions second (or more likely fourth), if at all.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Vector tiles that prefer either the browser's requested languages or something selectable would be ideal, but we aren't there yet technically for the main 'editors map'. When we are it might be worthwhile revisiting this discussion.</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, 25 Feb 2020 at 21:57, Mario Frasca <<a href="mailto:mario@anche.no">mario@anche.no</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p>I'm afraid that the conclusion you summarize here is not at all
reached.</p>
<p>we have reached the conclusion on the pointless point: "we
discuss in English".</p>
<p>as for the values of the `name` tag:<br>
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<p>I prefer to see "Adriatic Sea" rather than nothing.</p>
<p>I prefer "Mare Adriatico" to "Adriatic Sea".</p>
<p>I definitely question the choice of the editor who wrote "Gulf of
Trieste" for a piece of sea that borders with Italy (in an area
where Friuls is a recognized language), and Slovenia.</p>
<p>and I have suggested that the problem would vaporize if we added
a language identifier to the tile request.</p>
<p>I'm very much interested in reading reactions to this.</p>
<p>MF<br>
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<div>On 25/02/2020 16:10, Tomek wrote:<br>
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<pre>I believe I speak for many, most, or even all of us here (except Tomek) that "this is a settled matter."
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<pre>Sprawa rozwiązana, każdy mówi w jakim języku chce, a znacznik “name” z
obiektów międzynarodowych zostanie usunięty, z wyjątkiem mórz
graniczących z państwami.
Dziękuję za dyskusję
La problemo estas solvita, ĉiu povas paroli en iu ajn lingvo; kaj la
etikedo “name” el internaciaj objektoj estos forigita, escepte de maroj
apudaj al landoj.
Dankon por diskuto
The problem is solved, everyone can speak in any language; and the tag
“name” from international objects will be deleted, except of seas
adjacent to the countries.
Thank you for discussion
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