<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Le mer. 26 févr. 2020 à 13:16, Maarten Deen <<a href="mailto:mdeen@xs4all.nl">mdeen@xs4all.nl</a>> a écrit :<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On 2020-02-26 12:34, Florimond Berthoux wrote:<br>
> The problem is not the OSM "default" (there is no default) map.<br>
> OSM is *not* a map !<br>
> <br>
> The problem is the data put in name tag of some objects, which are not<br>
> respectful with the international idea of the project.<br>
<br>
I find it a stretch to say that someone mapping someting and putting in <br>
the english name is not respectful to the idea of the project. No one <br>
else but him was bothered enough to put anything in. He mapped it and <br>
that is more than enough to respect also the international idea of the <br>
project (i.c. someone not from or near country X did some mapping in or <br>
near country X).<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I'm not judging people, just thinking that these data is against the idea of the project.<br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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The problem with the local names is what has already been said a few <br>
times: which name do you put in? If the object borders 2 countries, will <br>
it be two names with a / between them? If the objects borders 10 <br>
countries, will it be 10 names with a / between them? If the object is <br>
the atlantic ocean, what then?<br>
Will it be nothing in the name tag and are we then going to complain <br>
that the opencarto style falls back to name:en?<br>
<br>
I just hope it will not turn into an edit war if there is no answer to <br>
that.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Well, there's probably no perfect answer, but still better than just one language for no reason.</div><div>If there is not much language used locally to name the object, well yes just put those languages in the name tag.</div><div>It already the case for many examples: in Morocco every thing has three names, for the Channel, for Golfe de Gascogne between France and Spain...</div><div><a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=6/39.529/-2.362">https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=6/39.529/-2.362</a></div><div>In Morocco they don't use a token to separate languages, but the alphabets used are different making it easier to read.</div><div>When only latin alphabet languages are used, it seems that '/' is used most of the time, tough '-' is also used around the Baltic Sea area <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=7/61.562/23.582">https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=7/61.562/23.582</a></div><div>May be '-' is not the best token to used, since it might be used inside a name.</div><div><br></div><div>For international object with many 'local' languages next to it, like Atlantic Ocean. We have two choices : everything or none.</div><div>Everything option can be long, and may not fit into the 255 characters limitation, but why not as long we have every languages ?<br></div><div>None is fine for me too.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Regards,<br></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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Regards,<br>
Maarten<br>
<br>
> <br>
> Le mar. 25 févr. 2020 à 22:57, Mario Frasca <<a href="mailto:mario@anche.no" target="_blank">mario@anche.no</a>> a<br>
> écrit :<br>
> <br>
>> I'm afraid that the conclusion you summarize here is not at all<br>
>> reached.<br>
>> <br>
>> we have reached the conclusion on the pointless point: "we discuss<br>
>> in English".<br>
>> <br>
>> as for the values of the `name` tag:<br>
>> <br>
>> I prefer to see "Adriatic Sea" rather than nothing.<br>
>> <br>
>> I prefer "Mare Adriatico" to "Adriatic Sea".<br>
>> <br>
>> I definitely question the choice of the editor who wrote "Gulf of<br>
>> Trieste" for a piece of sea that borders with Italy (in an area<br>
>> where Friuls is a recognized language), and Slovenia.<br>
>> <br>
>> and I have suggested that the problem would vaporize if we added a<br>
>> language identifier to the tile request.<br>
>> <br>
>> I'm very much interested in reading reactions to this.<br>
>> <br>
>> MF<br>
>> On 25/02/2020 16:10, Tomek wrote:<br>
>> <br>
>> W dniu 20-02-25 o 21:52, stevea pisze:<br>
>> <br>
>> I believe I speak for many, most, or even all of us here (except<br>
>> Tomek) that "this is a settled matter."<br>
>> SteveA<br>
>> <br>
>> Sprawa rozwiązana, każdy mówi w jakim języku chce, a znacznik<br>
>> “name” z<br>
>> obiektów międzynarodowych zostanie usunięty, z wyjątkiem mórz<br>
>> graniczących z państwami.<br>
>> Dziękuję za dyskusję<br>
>> <br>
>> La problemo estas solvita, ĉiu povas paroli en iu ajn lingvo; kaj<br>
>> la<br>
>> etikedo “name” el internaciaj objektoj estos forigita, escepte<br>
>> de maroj<br>
>> apudaj al landoj.<br>
>> Dankon por diskuto<br>
>> <br>
>> The problem is solved, everyone can speak in any language; and the<br>
>> tag<br>
>> “name” from international objects will be deleted, except of<br>
>> seas<br>
>> adjacent to the countries.<br>
>> Thank you for discussion<br>
>> <br>
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