<div dir="ltr"><div>Given problem is you argue with pictures showing what is under the cap.</div><div>On the tag page picture - and on the ground - we can't say what is under and if a man can't get down a ladder into a room.<br></div><div><br></div><div>I think all this stuff would require a formal proposal to discuss about vocabulary and have opinions of several people.</div><div>We need standard definitions more than legal actually.</div><div><br></div><div>All the best<br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Le lun. 20 avr. 2020 à 01:02, <<a href="mailto:80hnhtv4agou@bk.ru">80hnhtv4agou@bk.ru</a>> a écrit :<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div><div>I am trying to say the tag page is wrong,</div><div><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:manhole=telecom" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:manhole=telecom</a></div><div>the picture is a fiber optics splice enclosure not a manhole</div><div><a href="https://www.multicominc.com/product/pencell-pem-2436-24x36x24-buried-cable-enclosure/" target="_blank">https://www.multicominc.com/product/pencell-pem-2436-24x36x24-buried-cable-enclosure/</a></div><div><a href="https://www.thefoa.org/tech/ref/install/Microtrenching/Pages/25.html" target="_blank">https://www.thefoa.org/tech/ref/install/Microtrenching/Pages/25.html</a></div><div><a href="https://www.thefoa.org/tech/ref/appln/Prefab-underground.jpg" target="_blank">https://www.thefoa.org/tech/ref/appln/Prefab-underground.jpg</a></div><div> </div><div>this is a fiber splice manhole,</div><div><a href="https://www.jensenprecast.com/AT-T-Northern-California-a840/Telecom-Utility-Structures/Manholes-p14890/AT-T-4-x4-x4-fiber-optic-Intercept-Manhole-Page-1-of-2-d2315.pdf" target="_blank">https://www.jensenprecast.com/AT-T-Northern-California-a840/Telecom-Utility-Structures/Manholes-p14890/AT-T-4-x4-x4-fiber-optic-Intercept-Manhole-Page-1-of-2-d2315.pdf</a></div><div> </div><div>can we change the picture or put both on the same page with the legal industry names.</div><div><a href="https://www.lexico.com/en/definition/manhole" target="_blank">https://www.lexico.com/en/definition/manhole</a></div><div>( a man goes into the hole) [manhole] </div><div> </div><div> </div><blockquote style="border-left:1px solid rgb(8,87,166);margin:10px;padding:0px 0px 0px 10px">Sunday, April 19, 2020 5:02 PM -05:00 from François Lacombe <<a href="mailto:fl.infosreseaux@gmail.com" target="_blank">fl.infosreseaux@gmail.com</a>>:<div id="gmail-m_-3716182605378312025"><div><div><div id="gmail-m_-3716182605378312025style_15873337651201169682_BODY"><div><div dir="ltr"><div>To me, manhole applies in the two situations.</div><div>We should make a distinction between the "cap" visible from the surface and the facility underground.</div><div>Same shape of "cap" (I call it the manhole actually) can hide really different kind of stuff underground you won't be able to define without removing the cap.</div><div>In OSM, most mappers will only be able to describe what is visible on surface. So this distinction would really be valuable.</div><div>When I look for "cable manhole" in google, I see both pavement and road manholes.</div><div>Then I found this : <a href="https://www.archiexpo.com/prod/dakota-group/product-150519-1693688.html" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.archiexpo.com/prod/dakota-group/product-150519-1693688.html</a></div><div>The body below surface, buried underground would be called a "cable room".</div><div>All the best</div><div>François</div></div> <div><div dir="ltr">Le dim. 19 avr. 2020 à 23:14, 80hnhtv4agou--- via talk <<a href="//e.mail.ru/compose/?mailto=mailto%3atalk@openstreetmap.org" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">talk@openstreetmap.org</a>> a écrit :</div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div><div id="gmail-m_-3716182605378312025gmail-m_9055003015736488628style_15873305481200363704_BODY_mailru_css_attribute_postfix"><div><div id="gmail-m_-3716182605378312025gmail-m_9055003015736488628style_15873287240693874040_BODY_mailru_css_attribute_postfix_mailru_css_attribute_postfix"><div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-family:Arial,Tahoma,Verdana,sans-serif;font-size:15px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline"> this is an enclosure</span> just put in the ground, level 3 fiber.</span></div><div><a href="https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/mapillary.private.images/4KIBU1qe2CfjtcKtPHegeg/uploaded.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAR47SN3BMII5SHG7V&Expires=1587328637&Signature=8%2FzNiW16zbU9FjWy0JD17cNwIns%3D" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/mapillary.private.images/4KIBU1qe2CfjtcKtPHegeg/uploaded.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAR47SN3BMII5SHG7V&Expires=1587328637&Signature=8%2FzNiW16zbU9FjWy0JD17cNwIns%3D</a></div><div><a href="https://www.thefoa.org/tech/ref/install/Microtrenching/Pages/25.html" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.thefoa.org/tech/ref/install/Microtrenching/Pages/25.html</a></div><div> </div><div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">this is a manhole, ameritech, a t & t.</span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(17,129,255)"><span style="font-family:Roboto,arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline"><a href="https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/mapillary.private.images/dSk9MhzCx0L0AAFzD-WqYQ/uploaded.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAR47SN3BMII5SHG7V&Expires=1587329086&Signature=o%2F0CqAKQC1ltl0F2vCqXVIecRP4%3D" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/mapillary.private.images/dSk9MhzCx0L0AAFzD-WqYQ/uploaded.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAR47SN3BMII5SHG7V&Expires=1587329086&Signature=o%2F0CqAKQC1ltl0F2vCqXVIecRP4%3D</a></span></span></div><div> </div><div><a href="https://www.jensenprecast.com/AT-T-Northern-California-a840/Telecom-Utility-Structures/Manholes-p14890/AT-T-4-x4-x4-fiber-optic-Intercept-Manhole-Page-1-of-2-d2315.pdf" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.jensenprecast.com/AT-T-Northern-California-a840/Telecom-Utility-Structures/Manholes-p14890/AT-T-4-x4-x4-fiber-optic-Intercept-Manhole-Page-1-of-2-d2315.pdf</a></div><div><span style="color:rgb(17,129,255)"><span style="font-family:Roboto,arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline"> </span></span></div><div><div><blockquote style="border-left:1px solid rgb(8,87,166);margin:10px;padding:0px 0px 0px 10px"><span><span><span>Sunday, April 19, 2020 3:06 PM -05:00 from Tom Pfeifer <<a>t.pfeifer@computer.org</a>>:</span></span></span><div><div><div><div id="gmail-m_-3716182605378312025gmail-m_9055003015736488628_mailru_css_attribute_postfix"><div><div><div id="gmail-m_-3716182605378312025gmail-m_9055003015736488628style_15873267871760898690_BODY_mailru_css_attribute_postfix_mailru_css_attribute_postfix_mailru_css_attribute_postfix">Dear 80hnhtv4agou,<br>As OpenStreetMap is a worldwide project, we have to agree on a tagging scheme for an object that<br>is worldwide comprehensible.<br>We prefer to use the same tag for the same kind of thing.<br>Thus we prefer not to introduce synonyms or regional variations.<br>To make a feature be found more easily, "related terms" can be added in the wiki.<br>In the particular case, some friendly colleague has already added ‹buried cable enclosure›<br>to the manhole=telecom wiki page.<br>Kind regards<br>Tom<br><br>On 19.04.2020 17:20, 80hnhtv4agou--- via talk wrote:<div>> <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:manhole=telecom" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:manhole=telecom</a><br>> in the united states this is not what it is called, so it was hard for me to find to use.<br>> can the name be changed.<br>> <a href="https://www.multicominc.com/product/pencell-pem-2436-24x36x24-buried-cable-enclosure/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.multicominc.com/product/pencell-pem-2436-24x36x24-buried-cable-enclosure/</a><br>> to what it is ?</div>_______________________________________________</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div>
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