<div dir="ltr"><div>To me, manhole applies in the two situations.<br></div><div><br></div><div>We should make a distinction between the "cap" visible from the surface and the facility underground.</div><div>Same shape of "cap" (I call it the manhole actually) can hide really different kind of stuff underground you won't be able to define without removing the cap.<br></div><div>In OSM, most mappers will only be able to describe what is visible on surface. So this distinction would really be valuable.<br></div><div><br></div><div>When I look for "cable manhole" in google, I see both pavement and road manholes.</div><div>Then I found this : <a href="https://www.archiexpo.com/prod/dakota-group/product-150519-1693688.html">https://www.archiexpo.com/prod/dakota-group/product-150519-1693688.html</a></div><div><br></div><div>The body below surface, buried underground would be called a "cable room".<br></div><div><br></div><div>All the best</div><div><br></div><div>François<br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Le dim. 19 avr. 2020 à 23:14, 80hnhtv4agou--- via talk <<a href="mailto:talk@openstreetmap.org">talk@openstreetmap.org</a>> a écrit :<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div><div><div><div><div id="gmail-m_9055003015736488628style_15873305481200363704_BODY"><div><div><div><div id="gmail-m_9055003015736488628style_15873287240693874040_BODY_mailru_css_attribute_postfix"><div><div><div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-family:Arial,Tahoma,Verdana,sans-serif;font-size:15px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline"> this is an enclosure</span> just put in the ground, level 3 fiber.</span></div><div><a href="https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/mapillary.private.images/4KIBU1qe2CfjtcKtPHegeg/uploaded.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAR47SN3BMII5SHG7V&Expires=1587328637&Signature=8%2FzNiW16zbU9FjWy0JD17cNwIns%3D" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/mapillary.private.images/4KIBU1qe2CfjtcKtPHegeg/uploaded.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAR47SN3BMII5SHG7V&Expires=1587328637&Signature=8%2FzNiW16zbU9FjWy0JD17cNwIns%3D</a></div><div><a href="https://www.thefoa.org/tech/ref/install/Microtrenching/Pages/25.html" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.thefoa.org/tech/ref/install/Microtrenching/Pages/25.html</a></div><div> </div><div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">this is a manhole, ameritech, a t & t.</span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(17,129,255)"><span style="font-family:Roboto,arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline"><a href="https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/mapillary.private.images/dSk9MhzCx0L0AAFzD-WqYQ/uploaded.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAR47SN3BMII5SHG7V&Expires=1587329086&Signature=o%2F0CqAKQC1ltl0F2vCqXVIecRP4%3D" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/mapillary.private.images/dSk9MhzCx0L0AAFzD-WqYQ/uploaded.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAR47SN3BMII5SHG7V&Expires=1587329086&Signature=o%2F0CqAKQC1ltl0F2vCqXVIecRP4%3D</a></span></span></div><div> </div><div><a href="https://www.jensenprecast.com/AT-T-Northern-California-a840/Telecom-Utility-Structures/Manholes-p14890/AT-T-4-x4-x4-fiber-optic-Intercept-Manhole-Page-1-of-2-d2315.pdf" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.jensenprecast.com/AT-T-Northern-California-a840/Telecom-Utility-Structures/Manholes-p14890/AT-T-4-x4-x4-fiber-optic-Intercept-Manhole-Page-1-of-2-d2315.pdf</a></div><div><span style="color:rgb(17,129,255)"><span style="font-family:Roboto,arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline"> </span></span></div><div><blockquote style="border-left:1px solid rgb(8,87,166);margin:10px;padding:0px 0px 0px 10px"><span><span>Sunday, April 19, 2020 3:06 PM -05:00 from Tom Pfeifer <<a rel="noopener noreferrer">t.pfeifer@computer.org</a>>:<br> </span></span><div><div><div id="gmail-m_9055003015736488628"><div><div><div id="gmail-m_9055003015736488628style_15873267871760898690_BODY_mailru_css_attribute_postfix_mailru_css_attribute_postfix">Dear 80hnhtv4agou,<br><br>As OpenStreetMap is a worldwide project, we have to agree on a tagging scheme for an object that<br>is worldwide comprehensible.<br><br>We prefer to use the same tag for the same kind of thing.<br><br>Thus we prefer not to introduce synonyms or regional variations.<br><br>To make a feature be found more easily, "related terms" can be added in the wiki.<br><br>In the particular case, some friendly colleague has already added ‹buried cable enclosure›<br>to the manhole=telecom wiki page.<br><br>Kind regards<br>Tom<br><br>On 19.04.2020 17:20, 80hnhtv4agou--- via talk wrote:<div>> <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:manhole=telecom" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:manhole=telecom</a><br>>  <br>> in the united states this is not what it is called, so it was hard for me to find to use.<br>>  <br>> can the name be changed.<br>>  <br>> <a href="https://www.multicominc.com/product/pencell-pem-2436-24x36x24-buried-cable-enclosure/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.multicominc.com/product/pencell-pem-2436-24x36x24-buried-cable-enclosure/</a><br>>  <br>> to what it is ?</div><br>_______________________________________________<br>talk mailing list<br><a>talk@openstreetmap.org</a><br><a href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo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