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<div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>May 24, 2020, 20:47 by f@zz.de:<br></div><blockquote class="tutanota_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8; padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;"><div>On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 12:10:41PM +0200, Mateusz Konieczny via talk wrote:<br></div><blockquote><div>I just added some example at https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:access<br></div><div>and improved existing one.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Review, and improving edits (or comments here) would be welcomed.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Deliberately posting to talk to get review also from people less involved in<br></div><div>tagging discussions.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Thanks to Malenki and Seventy7 for suggesting it (in 2009 and 2010 respectively).<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>For me its missing at least 2 points:<br></div><div><br></div><div>- The "Ground truth" we tag restrictions only when visibly assigned and<br></div><div> verifyable.<br></div></blockquote><div>Can you give an example of such untaggable restriction?<br></div><div><br></div><div>"visible assigned" is not limited to just traffic sign. For example driveway behind<br></div><div>a gate can be tagged as access=private (except gates that can be opened by<br></div><div>anybody or by all customers or something like that).<br></div><div><br></div><div>In some cases it is visibly assigned and verifiable, but sign may be a bit distant<br></div><div>- for example access restrictions in nature reserves ("leaving signed trails is<br></div><div>not acceptable") or zone traffic signs, with entrances signed "no access except residents".<br></div><div><br></div><div>From quick review I am unable to remember any actually existing<br></div><div>access restriction that would not be taggable.<br></div><blockquote class="tutanota_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8; padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;"><div>- To use access restrictions as simple and minimal as possible.<br></div></blockquote><div>Can you find a good example for that? I was unable to find one that<br></div><div>would not be ridiculous, so despite of desire of including something<br></div><div>like that I skipped it.<br></div><blockquote class="tutanota_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8; padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;"><div>For example the German forum fights (with me) for tagging all driveways<br></div><div>as access=private disregarding any signs of the will of the owner. So <br></div><div>even you dont post additional signs or putting a gate on your<br></div><div>driveway the proposal is to tag everything access=private.<br></div></blockquote><div>At least in Poland it is 100% correct, except rare cases where<br></div><div>any member of public is allowed to open such gate.<br></div><blockquote class="tutanota_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8; padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;"><div> I dont think thats a good idea as it makes the driveway and the area<br></div><div>of the nuclear power plant indistinguishable.<br></div></blockquote><div>For access purposes this is correct, in both cases you need permission<br></div><div>from owner to enter and in both cases routing into such POI<br></div><div>should be capable of allowing to finish route using access=private ways<br></div><div>(and warn user that it is happening).<br></div><blockquote class="tutanota_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8; padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;"><div> So as a delivery<br></div><div>like Amazon Logistics, UPS, FedEx and Co you have to ignore<br></div><div>access=privates to be able to actually use your driveway,<br></div></blockquote><div>Yep.<br></div><blockquote class="tutanota_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8; padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;"><div>which automatically makes them ignore the power plants service<br></div><div>as well.<br></div></blockquote><div>And this way for routing for worker of power plant asking for a route <br></div><div>to a place of work will continue to work. Is there something missing<br></div><div>that I do not see?<br></div><div><br></div><div>Is access=private supposed to be incorrect in either case?<br></div><blockquote class="tutanota_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8; padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;"><div> This will be prone to real errors and bad workarounds.<br></div><div><br></div><div>So - people try to overload the meaning of access=private<br></div><div>with something more like ownership=private.<br></div><div><br></div><div>So IMHO the advice to tag EVERY driveway with access=private is a very<br></div><div>bad one.<br></div></blockquote><div>Yes, driveways that are open to general public (shared driveway without gate or<br></div><div>other restrictions) or to all customers (tourism attraction driveway) should not<br></div><div>be tagged like a private driveway.<br></div><div><br></div> </body>
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