<HTML><BODY><div>YES !<br><br> <blockquote style="border-left:1px solid #0857A6; margin:10px; padding:0 0 0 10px;">Monday, June 8, 2020 8:37 AM -05:00 from nwastra <nwastra@gmail.com>:<br> <div id=""><div class="js-helper js-readmsg-msg"><style type="text/css"></style><div><div id="style_15916234240203077869_BODY"><div class="cl_634587"><div dir="ltr"> </div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"> </div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"> </div><div dir="ltr">I am not very familiar with the iD editor but I notice that where a stream and highway cross, what boxes and dropdowns are offered depends what you have selected.</div><div dir="ltr">If you have the stream selected you will be offered tunnel/culvert/layer/etc as options.</div><div dir="ltr">If you have the highway selected you will be offered bridge/tunnel/ford/etc.</div><div dir="ltr"> </div><div dir="ltr">Is this the reason you are not seeing the options you expect?</div><div dir="ltr"> </div><div dir="ltr"> <div dir="ltr"> </div>On 8 Jun 2020, at 10:49 pm, 80hnhtv4agou--- via talk <<a href="//e.mail.ru/compose/?mailto=mailto%3atalk@openstreetmap.org" rel="noopener noreferrer">talk@openstreetmap.org</a>> wrote:<br> </div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div><blockquote style="border-left:1px solid #0857A6;margin:10px;padding:0 0 0 10px;">i guss what i am saying, add a tunnel is wrong, when the road is on the bridge, and the drop down box</blockquote></div><div> </div><div>says culvert. again i am only seeing the ID map.</div><div> <blockquote style="border-left:1px solid #0857A6;margin:10px;padding:0 0 0 10px;"><div id=""><div class="js-helper_mr_css_attr js-readmsg-msg_mr_css_attr"><div><div id="style_15916199730772448326_BODY_mr_css_attr"><div class="cl_639193_mr_css_attr"><div>i just tried it, it only says add a tunnel, then river is under bridge. <br><br> <div class="mail-quote-collapse"><blockquote style="border-left:1px solid #0857A6;margin:10px;padding:0 0 0 10px;">Monday, June 8, 2020 7:00 AM -05:00 from Mateusz Konieczny via talk <<a rel="noopener noreferrer">talk@openstreetmap.org</a>>:<br> <div id=""><div class="js-helper_mr_css_attr_mr_css_attr js-readmsg-msg_mr_css_attr_mr_css_attr"><style type="text/css"></style><div><div id="style_15916176560199100442_BODY_mr_css_attr_mr_css_attr"><div class="cl_647189_mr_css_attr_mr_css_attr"><div>Is there anything wrong with that?</div><div> </div><div> </div><div class="mail-quote-collapse"><div>Jun 8, 2020, 13:57 by <a href="//e.mail.ru/compose/?mailto=mailto%3atalk@openstreetmap.org" rel="noopener noreferrer">talk@openstreetmap.org</a>:</div><blockquote class="tutanota_quote_mr_css_attr_mr_css_attr_mr_css_attr" style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8;padding-left: 10px;margin-left: 5px;"><div><blockquote style="border-left:1px solid #0857A6;margin:10px;padding:0 0 0 10px;"><div id=""><div><div><div id="style_15916173371542060712_BODY_mr_css_attr_mr_css_attr_mr_css_attr"><div><div><div>in the ID editor, if you draw a stream - river line, and it crosses a road, you get a warning, with the suggestion</div><div> </div><div><div>add a bridge or tunnel. </div><div> </div></div><div><blockquote style="border-left:1px solid #0857A6;margin:10px;padding:0 0 0 10px;"><div>Monday, June 8, 2020 5:13 AM -05:00 from Martin Koppenhoefer <<a>dieterdreist@gmail.com</a>>:</div><div> </div><div id=""><div><div><div id="style_15916111870132084266_BODY_mr_css_attr_mr_css_attr_mr_css_attr_mr_css_attr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr">Am Sa., 6. Juni 2020 um 18:02 Uhr schrieb Dave F via talk <<a href="http://e.mail.ru/compose/?mailto=mailto%3atalk@openstreetmap.org" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">talk@openstreetmap.org</a>>:</div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>Do you have an example?</div><div> </div></blockquote><div> </div><div> </div><div><div>A simple example for a tunnel (here subway) on a bridge would be this:</div><div><a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/757824513" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/757824513</a></div><div><a href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pont_Morand" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pont_Morand</a></div><div> </div><div> </div></div><div> </div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>Whether it's a bridge or tunnel is fairly easily defined by determining</div><div>which is taking the load.</div><div>If a tunnel's structure was removed, would whitewater's above it</div><div>collapse? If 'yes' then it's a tunnel.</div></blockquote></div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div><div>what I wrote was that - according to some technical definitions - a tunnel must not have something above it, it may be sufficient that it is closed and long enough. I am not sure if we share these definitions in OSM.</div><div><div>According to the current wiki, "a tunnel is an underground passage for a road or similar." and also: "<span class="font_mr_css_attr_mr_css_attr_mr_css_attr" style="font-family:menlo,consolas,'courier new',monospace"><a>tunnel</a>=*</span> is used for roads, railway line, canals etc that run underground (in <span title="w:en: Tunnel"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/en:Tunnel" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">tunnel</a></span>). " This doesn't appear to be exhaustive / complete, tunnels could also run underwater, above ground and potentially in the future even in space, no?</div></div><div>Many current underwater tunnels are also "underground", as they are often running in a man made structure (embankment like) on the ground or below the water body/river in the ground</div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div><div>Cheers</div><div>Martin</div><div> </div><div> </div></div></div></div><div><div>_______________________________________________</div><div>talk mailing list</div><div><a>talk@openstreetmap.org</a></div><div><a href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk</a></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><div> </div><div> </div><div data-signature-widget="container"><div data-signature-widget="content"><div> </div></div></div><div> </div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div> </div><div> </div><div data-signature-widget="container"><div data-signature-widget="content"><div> </div></div></div><div> </div></div></blockquote></div></div></div><div>_______________________________________________<br>talk mailing list<br><a>talk@openstreetmap.org</a><br><a href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk</a></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div> <div> </div><div data-signature-widget="container"><div data-signature-widget="content"><div> </div></div></div><div> </div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote> <div> </div><div data-signature-widget="container"><div data-signature-widget="content"><div> </div></div></div><div> </div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><span>_______________________________________________</span><br><span>talk mailing list</span><br><span><a href="//e.mail.ru/compose/?mailto=mailto%3atalk@openstreetmap.org" rel="noopener noreferrer">talk@openstreetmap.org</a></span><br><span><a href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk</a></span></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div><div>_______________________________________________<br>talk mailing list<br><a href="/compose?To=talk@openstreetmap.org">talk@openstreetmap.org</a><br><a href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk" target="_blank">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk</a></div></div></div></div></blockquote> <div> </div><div data-signature-widget="container"><div data-signature-widget="content"><div> </div></div></div><div> </div></div></BODY></HTML>