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    Drop down options are not the only choice. You can add your own. <br>
    It's not compulsory to use those options. Common sense should be
    used.  If there's a bridge over, don't add tunnel/culvert to the way
    going under.<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 08/06/2020 15:01, 80hnhtv4agou---
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        <div>YES !, i guess what i am saying i would like to see more
          drop down options.</div>
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          nwastra <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:nwastra@gmail.com"><nwastra@gmail.com></a>:
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                        <div dir="ltr">I am not very familiar with the
                          iD editor but I notice that where a stream and
                          highway cross, what boxes and dropdowns are
                          offered depends what you have selected.</div>
                        <div dir="ltr">If you have the stream selected
                          you will be offered tunnel/culvert/layer/etc
                          as options.</div>
                        <div dir="ltr">If you have the highway selected
                          you will be offered bridge/tunnel/ford/etc.</div>
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                        <div dir="ltr">Is this the reason you are not
                          seeing the options you expect?</div>
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                          On 8 Jun 2020, at 10:49 pm, 80hnhtv4agou---
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                              <blockquote style="border-left:1px solid
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                                guss what i am saying, add a tunnel is
                                wrong, when the road is on the bridge,
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                            <div>says culvert. again i am only seeing
                              the ID map.</div>
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                                        <div>i just tried it, it only
                                          says add a tunnel, then river
                                          is under bridge. 
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                                              Mateusz Konieczny via talk
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                                                        <div>Is there
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                                                          <div>Jun 8,
                                                          2020, 13:57 by
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                                                          <div>in the ID
                                                          editor, if you
                                                          draw a stream
                                                          - river  line,
                                                          and it crosses
                                                          a road, you
                                                          get a warning,
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                                                          <div>add a
                                                          bridge or
                                                          tunnel. </div>
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                                                          June 8, 2020
                                                          5:13 AM -05:00
                                                          from Martin
                                                          Koppenhoefer
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                                                          <div dir="ltr">Am
                                                          Sa., 6. Juni
                                                          2020 um
                                                          18:02 Uhr
                                                          schrieb Dave F
                                                          via talk <<a
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                                                          <div>A simple
                                                          example for a
                                                          tunnel (here
                                                          subway) on a
                                                          bridge would
                                                          be this:</div>
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                                                          href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/757824513"
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                                                          <div>Whether
                                                          it's a bridge
                                                          or tunnel is
                                                          fairly easily
                                                          defined by
                                                          determining</div>
                                                          <div>which is
                                                          taking the
                                                          load.</div>
                                                          <div>If a
                                                          tunnel's
                                                          structure was
                                                          removed, would
                                                          whitewater's
                                                          above it</div>
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                                                          If 'yes' then
                                                          it's a tunnel.</div>
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                                                          <div>what I
                                                          wrote was that
                                                          - according to
                                                          some technical
                                                          definitions -
                                                          a tunnel must
                                                          not have
                                                          something
                                                          above it, it
                                                          may be
                                                          sufficient
                                                          that it is
                                                          closed and
                                                          long enough. I
                                                          am not sure if
                                                          we share these
                                                          definitions in
                                                          OSM.</div>
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                                                          <div>According
                                                          to the current
                                                          wiki, "a
                                                          tunnel is an
                                                          underground
                                                          passage for a
                                                          road or
                                                          similar." and
                                                          also: "<span
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                                                          is used for
                                                          roads, railway
                                                          line, canals
                                                          etc that run
                                                          underground
                                                          (in <span
                                                          title="w:en:
                                                          Tunnel"><a
                                                          href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/en:Tunnel"
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moz-do-not-send="true">tunnel</a></span>). "  This doesn't appear to be
                                                          exhaustive /
                                                          complete,
                                                          tunnels could
                                                          also run
                                                          underwater,
                                                          above ground
                                                          and
                                                          potentially in
                                                          the future
                                                          even in space,
                                                          no?</div>
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                                                          <div>Many
                                                          current
                                                          underwater
                                                          tunnels are
                                                          also
                                                          "underground",
                                                          as they are
                                                          often running
                                                          in a man made
                                                          structure
                                                          (embankment
                                                          like) on the
                                                          ground or
                                                          below the
                                                          water
                                                          body/river in
                                                          the ground</div>
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                                                          <div>Cheers</div>
                                                          <div>Martin</div>
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