<HTML><BODY><div><div>because i was asked to change my edit based on my own ruler measurement,</div><div> </div><div>but it was just a ruler on google maps.<br> </div><blockquote style="border-left:1px solid #0857A6; margin:10px; padding:0 0 0 10px;">Saturday, June 13, 2020 10:42 AM -05:00 from Mateusz Konieczny via Talk-us <talk-us@openstreetmap.org>:<br> <div id=""><div class="js-helper js-readmsg-msg"><style type="text/css"></style><div><div id="style_15920629591425593689_BODY"><div class="cl_083338"><div>If you were not copying Google Maps then why you were using the ruler?</div><div> </div><div>Why using ruler on Google Maps would be even necessary?</div><div> </div><div class="mail-quote-collapse"><div>Jun 13, 2020, 17:31 by talk@openstreetmap.org:</div><blockquote class="tutanota_quote_mr_css_attr" style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8;padding-left: 10px;margin-left: 5px;"><div><div>i put them as a source i used a ruler on there map.</div><div> </div><div> </div><blockquote style="border-left:1px solid #0857A6;margin:10px;padding:0 0 0 10px;"><div>Saturday, June 13, 2020 10:20 AM -05:00 from Mateusz Konieczny via talk <<a href="/compose?To=talk@openstreetmap.org">talk@openstreetmap.org</a>>:</div><div> </div><div id=""><div><div><div id="style_15920616131771850143_BODY_mr_css_attr"><div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div><div>Jun 13, 2020, 16:59 by eric.ladner@gmail.com:</div><blockquote style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8;padding-left: 10px;margin-left: 5px;"><div dir="ltr"><div>Yeah, be careful with Google Maps. It's owned and created by a company and if you copy from it and they can prove it, they could sue the OSM Foundation into oblivion. They used to even have their OWN satellites to obtain imagery. That's serious money.</div></div></blockquote><div>That is not the main problem. Main problem is that it goes our own fundamental rules.</div><div>Mappers must not use other maps* even if whoever hold copyright is unable to sue for some reason.</div><div> </div><div>And "they can prove it" part may be misleading - you are not allowed to copy even if you think that</div><div>you can hide the copying so that noone will notice it.</div><div> </div><div>*that is more complicated, we are must not copyrighted data on incompatible licenes -</div><div>but if you are unsure what it means do not use other maps and ask for help before doing this</div><blockquote style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8;padding-left: 10px;margin-left: 5px;"><div dir="ltr"><div> </div><div>Typically, with local edits, I put "Local knowledge" as the source. Sounds more highbrow than "my eyeballs". </div></div></blockquote><div>I usually put survey/memory depending on how recent my data is.</div><blockquote style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8;padding-left: 10px;margin-left: 5px;"><div dir="ltr"><div>IMO, if somebody is challenging one of your local edits, if they are not local also, they should be told as much and sent on their way - UNLESS it's something that relates to a mapping standard or best practice. Then, learn from your mistakes and move on.</div></div></blockquote><div>+1</div><blockquote style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8;padding-left: 10px;margin-left: 5px;"><div><div dir="ltr">On Sat, Jun 13, 2020 at 9:32 AM 80hnhtv4agou--- via Talk-us <<a rel="noopener noreferrer">talk-us@openstreetmap.org</a>> wrote:</div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div><div>this was a tool on the map that measured distance.</div></div></div></blockquote></div></blockquote><div>Have you copied that map? I am unsure how the distance measuring tool</div><div>relates to "why are you telling me I can not use google as a map source"?</div><blockquote style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8;padding-left: 10px;margin-left: 5px;"><div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div><div> </div><blockquote style="border-left:1px solid rgb(8,87,166);margin:10px;padding:0px 0px 0px 10px"><div>Saturday, June 13, 2020 9:29 AM -05:00 from Mateusz Konieczny via Talk-us <<a rel="noopener noreferrer">talk-us@openstreetmap.org</a>>:</div><div> </div><div id="gmail-m_-9137216672489091963_mr_css_attr_mr_css_attr"><div><div><div id="gmail-m_-9137216672489091963style_15920585490589161744_BODY_mr_css_attr_mr_css_attr"><div><div>You are not allowed to use Google Maps as source.</div><div> </div><div>Have you used Google Maps to edit OSM?</div><div> </div><div>"since all the maps on OSM are old news like in my local area 7 months old."</div><div> </div><div>FYI, world is larger than your local area.</div><div> </div><div> </div><div><div><span>Jun 13, 2020, 16:08 by <a rel="noopener noreferrer">talk-us@openstreetmap.org</a>:</span></div><div><blockquote style="border-left:1px solid rgb(147,163,184);padding-left:10px;margin-left:5px"><div><span style="color:rgb(0,95,249)">If you people want me to prove my edit by adding a source, and a person from the data group as an editor,</span></div><div> </div><div><span style="color:rgb(0,95,249)">asks me to prove it, and i redo my edit and he does not get back to me, why are you telling me I can not use</span></div><div> </div><div><span style="color:rgb(0,95,249)">google as a map source, since all the maps on OSM are old news. like in my local area 7 months old.</span></div><div> </div><div><div><div> </div></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div> </div></div></div><div><div>_______________________________________________</div><div>Talk-us mailing list</div><div><a href="http:///compose?To=Talk%2dus@openstreetmap.org" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Talk-us@openstreetmap.org</a></div><div><a href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us</a></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div> </div><div> </div><div><div><div> </div></div></div><div> </div></div></div><div>_______________________________________________</div><div>Talk-us mailing list</div><div><a rel="noopener noreferrer">Talk-us@openstreetmap.org</a></div><div><a href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us</a></div></blockquote></div><div> </div><div> </div><div>--</div><div dir="ltr">Eric Ladner</div></blockquote><div> </div></div></div><div><div>_______________________________________________</div><div>talk mailing list</div><div><a rel="noopener noreferrer">talk@openstreetmap.org</a></div><div><a href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk</a></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div> </div><div> </div><div data-signature-widget="container"><div data-signature-widget="content"><div> </div></div></div><div> </div></div></blockquote></div><div> </div></div></div><div>_______________________________________________<br>Talk-us mailing list<br><a href="/compose?To=Talk%2dus@openstreetmap.org">Talk-us@openstreetmap.org</a><br><a href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us" target="_blank">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us</a></div></div></div></div></blockquote> <div> </div><div data-signature-widget="container"><div data-signature-widget="content"><div> </div></div></div><div> </div></div></BODY></HTML>