<div dir="ltr"><div>I see no big issue of using only aerial images to set track_type or surface.<br></div><div>You can get a fairly good result with such sources.</div><div>So no, you should not blindly revert its modifications.</div><div>If the estimation was really bad almost all the time why not, but here the example given is ok.<br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Le sam. 18 juil. 2020 à 12:56, Michael Reichert <<a href="mailto:osm-ml@michreichert.de">osm-ml@michreichert.de</a>> a écrit :<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Hi,<br>
<br>
while reviewing changes in my local area, I discovered that user Modest7<br>
has been adding tracktype=* tags to lots of highway=track at various<br>
locations. I asked him what sources he used apart from the satellite<br>
imagery mentioned in the imagery_used=* tag of his changesets. See<br>
<a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/87236896" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/87236896</a> for a discussion with him.<br>
<br>
I do not believe that one can add reliable tracktype=* information from<br>
satellite imagery without having some ground truth knowledge in order to<br>
know how to interpret the imagery in that region. Adding estimated<br>
tracktype=* does not help OSM on the long term. People how rely on the<br>
information (e.g. some wanting to drive or cycle on that track) are<br>
disappointed about this low-quality OSM data. Mappers who decide where<br>
to map assume these roads to be mapped properly. IMHO, adding<br>
fixme=resurvey tracktype will not improve it. Data consumers usually do<br>
not use tags like fixme=* In the case of imports (another type of mass<br>
editing), we say that an import must not add fixme=* to cover<br>
shortcomings of the data to be imported because they usually do not get<br>
fixed in a reasonable time. Therefore, I plan to revert these changes.<br>
<br>
Modest7 does not seem to realise that estimating tracktype from<br>
satellite imagery is not doing a service to OSM. I am currently<br>
preparing a revert of all additions of surface=* and tracktype=* by him<br>
he uploaded since 1 January 2020 [1]. The revert will only edit tags,<br>
geometry will stay unchanged. I revert changes on surface as well<br>
because that's not very different to tracktype except that it applies to<br>
other types of roads as well.<br>
<br>
The countries which will be affected are:<br>
Germany<br>
Denmark<br>
Turkey<br>
United States<br>
Poland<br>
Ukraine<br>
Morocco<br>
Czech Republic<br>
Lithuania<br>
Sweden<br>
Norway<br>
eSwatini<br>
<br>
A changeset discussion with him can be found at<br>
<a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/87236896" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/87236896</a><br>
<br>
Best regards<br>
<br>
Michael<br>
<br>
<br>
[1] This date is not fixed yet.<br>
<br>
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</blockquote></div><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature">Florimond Berthoux</div>