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<b>Från:</b> pangoSE <pangose@riseup.net><br>
<b>Skickat:</b> 9 augusti 2020 11:09:08 CEST<br>
<b>Till:</b> Mateusz Konieczny <matkoniecz@tutanota.com><br>
<b>Ämne:</b> Re: [OSM-talk] Roadmap for deprecation of name tags in OSM<br>
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<pre class="k9mail">Hi<br><br>Thanks for the response. <br><br><br>Mateusz Konieczny via talk <talk@openstreetmap.org> skrev: (9 augusti 2020 10:42:21 CEST)<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #729fcf; padding-left: 1ex;">Aug 9, 2020, 10:25 by pangose@riseup.net:<br><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ad7fa8; padding-left: 1ex;">I suggest we create a roadmap for deprecating of storing and updating<br></blockquote>names in OSM for objects with a Wikidata tag.<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ad7fa8; padding-left: 1ex;"><br></blockquote>Absolutely no.<br><br>tagging name tag is a fundamental part of OSM tag,<br>offloading it to a third party service is a mistake that will not<br>happen<br></blockquote><br>I disagree. Redundancy is a problem waiting to be solved.<br><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #729fcf; padding-left: 1ex;"><br><a href="https://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/19655">https://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/19655</a> contains several misleading,<br>wrong, mistaken<br>and problematic claims, statements and implications but I have no time<br>to process in detail<br>as the entire idea is fundamentally bad, mistaken, problematic, broken,<br>not workable,<br>not acceptable, not going to happen and wrong.<br></blockquote><br>I disagree. The current handling of names in osm is redundant in many cases and badly broken when it comes to references.<br><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #729fcf; padding-left: 1ex;"><br>Some samples:<br><br>"there is no such thing as an international name. Names are part of a<br>language whih is part of a culture. They are not GIS objects and the <br>osm datamodel does not handle this complexity well at all."<br><br>Are you aware that we have other tags beyond name tag?<br></blockquote><br>Yes<br><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #729fcf; padding-left: 1ex;"><br>loc_name, name:pl and many others?<br></blockquote><br>Yes. This is not a blocker. For loc_name and others a new wikidata property can be created.<br><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #729fcf; padding-left: 1ex;"><br>"No more name vandalism in osm. We export the name handling to<br>wikidata which has a much better system for handling vandalism."<br><br>Because vandalism in third-party service is superior?<br>Are you seriously claiming that Wikidata has less trouble with<br>vandalism<br>and deals with it better?<br></blockquote><br>Yes. The new york defacement could most probably have been avoided wih this approach. I have no statistics to back up this claim though.<br><br>If anyone have statistics I would love to read them.<br><br>Cheers</pre></html>