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<body>These are valid concerns. See my response to James.<br>If Wikimedia should become uncooperative we could easily set up our own wikibase installation. See <a href="https://www.wbstack.com/">https://www.wbstack.com/</a><br><br>It takes a few minutes plus some configuration time.<br><br>In fact this might be much better than forcing our data into wikidata which is very tied to education and does not accept all our objects that have names currently.<br><br>In case we take this route I would recommend having another prefix than Q for our unique ids.<br><br>Cheers<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">Mateusz Konieczny via talk <talk@openstreetmap.org> skrev: (9 augusti 2020 12:16:33 CEST)<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
<div>or has downtime? or deletes data/items used by OSM? or bans OSM mappers?<br></div><div>or refuses to ban vandal/troll/harasser? or fails to ban them quickly?<br></div><div><br></div><div>Aug 9, 2020, 11:45 by james2432@gmail.com:<br></div><blockquote class="tutanota_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8; padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;"><div dir="auto">is there a contingency plan if wikipedia/wikimedia ceases to exist?<br></div><div><br></div><div class=""><div class="" dir="ltr">On Sun., Aug. 9, 2020, 4:29 a.m. pangoSE, <<a href="mailto:pangose@riseup.net" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">pangose@riseup.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex" class=""><div>I suggest we create a roadmap for deprecating of storing and updating names in OSM for objects with a Wikidata tag.<br></div><div><br></div><div>The rationale is explained here:<br></div><div><a rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank" href="https://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/19655">https://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/19655</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>This of course affects the whole project and data consumers as well. Every OSM user will have to become a Wikidata user as well to edit the names or add name references (through the editors)<br></div><div><br></div><div>Substantial changes will have to be made:<br></div><div>* nominatim will need to support fetching names from wikidata somehow. It could probably be done on the fly.<br></div><div>* <a rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank" href="http://openstreetmap.org">openstreetmap.org</a> will need to fetch from wikidata when displaying any object. <br></div><div>* rendering the standard map will have to support fetching from wikidata.<br></div><div>* all editors would have to fetch and enable editing of Wikidata objects. <br></div><div>* maybe it no longer makes sense to have 2 separate logins? We should unify the logging in as much as possible. Ideas are welcome on how to do that. Perhaps retire signing up as OSM user on <a rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank" href="http://osm.org">osm.org</a> and ask users to create a Wikimedia account instead and log in with that? <br></div><div><br></div><div>I personally don't see any problems connecting Wikimedia and OSM closer than the islands they are today.<br></div><div><br></div><div>As mentioned in the ticket above data consumers like Mapbox already prefer Wikidata names. I'm guessing thats because they are simply better quality, better modeled, better referenced and better protected against vandalism.<br></div><div><br></div><div>WDYT?<br></div><div><br></div><div>Cheers<br></div><div>pangoSE<br></div><div>Ps I choose this list because this not only relates to tagging, but to the wider ecosystem._______________________________________________<br></div><div> talk mailing list<br></div><div> <a rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank" href="mailto:talk@openstreetmap.org">talk@openstreetmap.org</a><br></div><div> <a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk</a><br></div></blockquote></div></blockquote><div><br></div>
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