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<p>Dear Steve, thank you for reminding me there's something called
ESRI.</p>
<p>they approached the Telegram group in March last year:<br>
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<div class="im_message_text" dir="auto">we were invited to a
meeting, and I was able to accept the invitation.<br>
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<p><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/ES:Panam%C3%A1/Reuni%C3%B3n_2019-03-21">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/ES:Panam%C3%A1/Reuni%C3%B3n_2019-03-21</a></p>
<p>this was in preparation of an ESRI event celebrating the 500
years of the city of Panama. I had always assumed the event never
took place. and I now guess it was this GisDay. was it around
November13th 2019? please notice how downplayed the role of YMUP.<br>
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<p>the activity in Guna Nega do seem to follow step 1 in my
recommendations, and it disregards all subsequent steps, in
particular the last one.</p>
<p>needless to say, I never received feedback, nor acknowledgement
for the input I provided during the meeting.<br>
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<p>oh well.</p>
<p>Mario<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 02/12/2020 16:44, Steve Friedl
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<p class="MsoNormal">FWIW, GIS Day is a thing: <a
href="https://www.gisday.com/en-us/overview"
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<p class="MsoNormal">The local Governmental GIS Users group near
me in California celebrates it every year, though this year
only virtually.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">No comment on the rest, just answering one
data point.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Steve<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Steve Friedl // Software guy + Volunteer
mapper // Southern California USA<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:steve@unixwiz.net">steve@unixwiz.net</a> [OSM:SJFriedl] //
OpenStreetMap MWG // Fix ALL the maps!<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Mario Frasca
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:mario@anche.no"><mario@anche.no></a> <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, December 2, 2020 1:24 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Rory Nealon <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:rnealon@usaid.gov"><rnealon@usaid.gov></a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> OSM Talk <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:talk@openstreetmap.org"><talk@openstreetmap.org></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [OSM-talk] time to review<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>Hi Rory,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>let's include the list, so you're talking with the whole
community, not just to me.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>BACKGROUND: we're trying to have the YouthMappers Chapter of
the University of Panama consider they're mapping within OSM,
that there's a local community of mappers already mapping, and
with some experience in different fields.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>unfortunately, the YMUP Chapter refuses to reply to comments
to their changesets, or to consider complaints about their low
quality of edits, and the sheer mass of beginners they throw
into not-too-simple tasks. recently they had their yearly
"Gis Day", please don't ask me what it is, because I don't
know, only that there's a hashtag being used once a year by
the YouthMappers UP Chapter. also please don't ask me who's
inside this chapter, because I don't know.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>when Mateusz wrote to <a href="mailto:info@youthmappers.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">info@youthmappers.org</a> about their
organized editing activity without declaration of intents, the
result of his writing was that HOT opened two projects on top
of two areas we from the community were editing using the
tasking manager from tareas.openstreetmap.co, forcing us to
clean up the edits while they were coming in. that's Santiago
and Colón.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>in Santiago we reverted several changesets, and made the
effort to close their project so they would stay away from the
work which was anyway almost complete.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>in Colón we stopped editing downtown, leaving it to the YMUP
Chapter.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>there's still no published plan from the chapter, Rory says
that they are reviewing the tasks they had opened, but apart
from beginner mapper <a
href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/agreenish"
moz-do-not-send="true">agreenish</a>, arguably adding to the
mass of mistakes, I don't see much editing activity in either
project.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I will write a diary entry, with images,
and will try to make it a structured presentation of what goes
on here. there's statistical data I've collected that shows
just how organized the edits from YMUP, and I find it quite
insulting, the mismatch between the words by YouthMappers
International, the call for patience by HOT, and the continued
self-boasting by this local Chapter, while we need to do the
cleaning up.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>you know … I am editing Morocco, that's more relaxing.
hopefully no YouthMappers there.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>ciao,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Mario<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Sorry for not getting back to you
sooner. I will try and contact the chapter and get an
answer for you. The last I heard was that they had
begun to validate the tasks they had created. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Cheers,<o:p></o:p></p>
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Frasca <<a href="mailto:mario@anche.no"
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Rory,<br>
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let me insist, I wish to have an estimate of how long we
should wait, <br>
for the YMUP to review their edits?<br>
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as you have read from his complaint to YMI, Markusz
assumes something <br>
like "at the end of the day", even if he wrote the
complaint 4 days <br>
after the edit — which he fixed himself.<br>
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maybe too strict myself, because I would say "the next
day", which could <br>
be "the next available day".<br>
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in particular since this looks like episodic edits, not
ongoing activities.<br>
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so, what is the time we should allow before concluding
they abandoned <br>
the location?<br>
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a week? (slow, but could fit in a low activity group)<br>
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a month? (very slow, one forgets what they were doing)<br>
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a year? (ah? next group, please?)<br>
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