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    <p>Dear Steve, thank you for reminding me there's something called
      ESRI.</p>
    <p>they approached the Telegram group in March last year:<br>
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    <div class="im_message_text" dir="auto">we were invited to a
      meeting, and I was able to accept the invitation.<br>
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    <p><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/ES:Panam%C3%A1/Reuni%C3%B3n_2019-03-21">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/ES:Panam%C3%A1/Reuni%C3%B3n_2019-03-21</a></p>
    <p>this was in preparation of an ESRI event celebrating the 500
      years of the city of Panama.  I had always assumed the event never
      took place.  and I now guess it was this GisDay.  was it around
      November13th 2019?  please notice how downplayed the role of YMUP.<br>
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    <p>the activity in Guna Nega do seem to follow step 1 in my
      recommendations, and it disregards all subsequent steps, in
      particular the last one.</p>
    <p>needless to say, I never received feedback, nor acknowledgement
      for the input I provided during the meeting.<br>
    </p>
    <p>oh well.</p>
    <p>Mario<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 02/12/2020 16:44, Steve Friedl
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        <p class="MsoNormal">FWIW, GIS Day is a thing: <a
            href="https://www.gisday.com/en-us/overview"
            moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.gisday.com/en-us/overview</a><o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">The local Governmental GIS Users group near
          me in California celebrates it every year, though this year
          only virtually.<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">No comment on the rest, just answering one
          data point.<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">Steve<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">--- <o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">Steve Friedl // Software guy + Volunteer
          mapper // Southern California USA<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:steve@unixwiz.net">steve@unixwiz.net</a> [OSM:SJFriedl] //
          OpenStreetMap MWG //  Fix ALL the maps!<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Mario Frasca
              <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:mario@anche.no"><mario@anche.no></a> <br>
              <b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, December 2, 2020 1:24 PM<br>
              <b>To:</b> Rory Nealon <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:rnealon@usaid.gov"><rnealon@usaid.gov></a><br>
              <b>Cc:</b> OSM Talk <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:talk@openstreetmap.org"><talk@openstreetmap.org></a><br>
              <b>Subject:</b> Re: [OSM-talk] time to review<o:p></o:p></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p>Hi Rory,<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p>let's include the list, so you're talking with the whole
          community, not just to me.<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p>BACKGROUND: we're trying to have the YouthMappers Chapter of
          the University of Panama consider they're mapping within OSM,
          that there's a local community of mappers already mapping, and
          with some experience in different fields.<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p>unfortunately, the YMUP Chapter refuses to reply to comments
          to their changesets, or to consider complaints about their low
          quality of edits, and the sheer mass of beginners they throw
          into not-too-simple tasks.  recently they had their yearly
          "Gis Day", please don't ask me what it is, because I don't
          know, only that there's a hashtag being used once a year by
          the YouthMappers UP Chapter.  also please don't ask me who's
          inside this chapter, because I don't know.<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p>when Mateusz wrote to <a href="mailto:info@youthmappers.org"
            moz-do-not-send="true">info@youthmappers.org</a> about their
          organized editing activity without declaration of intents, the
          result of his writing was that HOT opened two projects on top
          of two areas we from the community were editing using the
          tasking manager from tareas.openstreetmap.co, forcing us to
          clean up the edits while they were coming in.  that's Santiago
          and Colón.<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p>in Santiago we reverted several changesets, and made the
          effort to close their project so they would stay away from the
          work which was anyway almost complete.<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p>in Colón we stopped editing downtown, leaving it to the YMUP
          Chapter.<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p>there's still no published plan from the chapter, Rory says
          that they are reviewing the tasks they had opened, but apart
          from beginner mapper <a
            href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/agreenish"
            moz-do-not-send="true">agreenish</a>, arguably adding to the
          mass of mistakes, I don't see much editing activity in either
          project.<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">I will write a diary entry, with images,
          and will try to make it a structured presentation of what goes
          on here.  there's statistical data I've collected that shows
          just how organized the edits from YMUP, and I find it quite
          insulting, the mismatch between the words by YouthMappers
          International, the call for patience by HOT, and the continued
          self-boasting by this local Chapter, while we need to do the
          cleaning up.<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p>you know … I am editing Morocco, that's more relaxing. 
          hopefully no YouthMappers there.<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p>ciao,<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p>Mario<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p><o:p> </o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">On 02/12/2020 15:52, Rory Nealon wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">Hi Mario,  <o:p></o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal">Sorry for not getting back to you
                sooner.  I will try and contact the chapter and get an
                answer for you.  The last I heard was that they had
                begun to validate the tasks they had created. <o:p></o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal">Cheers,<o:p></o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal">Rory<o:p></o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal">On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 4:53 PM Mario
                Frasca <<a href="mailto:mario@anche.no"
                  moz-do-not-send="true">mario@anche.no</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                Rory,<br>
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                let me insist, I wish to have an estimate of how long we
                should wait, <br>
                for the YMUP to review their edits?<br>
                <br>
                as you have read from his complaint to YMI, Markusz
                assumes something <br>
                like "at the end of the day", even if he wrote the
                complaint 4 days <br>
                after the edit — which he fixed himself.<br>
                <br>
                maybe too strict myself, because I would say "the next
                day", which could <br>
                be "the next available day".<br>
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                in particular since this looks like episodic edits, not
                ongoing activities.<br>
                <br>
                so, what is the time we should allow before concluding
                they abandoned <br>
                the location?<br>
                <br>
                a week?  (slow, but could fit in a low activity group)<br>
                <br>
                a month?  (very slow, one forgets what they were doing)<br>
                <br>
                a year?  (ah? next group, please?)<br>
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                best regards, Mario Frasca<o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:7.5pt;color:#888888">Senior GIS Analyst &
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style="font-size:7.5pt;color:#888888">US Agency for International
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